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Offline lassenc

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Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« on: February 20, 2006, 01:14:56 PM »
Name of the topic says the most of it :)

It's a 500K, my guess is too lean running or wrong floatbowl height.

Others?
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 01:45:50 PM »
 You're on the right track. Check for vacuum leaks too.
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 02:34:40 PM »
You're on the right track. Check for vacuum leaks too.

A vacuum leak, what's that?
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
It's like beating a dead cow, it's fun, but it doens't really get you anywhere.

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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2006, 02:45:15 PM »
when air leaks past your rubber carb boots..

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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 02:53:08 PM »
Should we assume your bike is completely stock?

Also, a 500 in the states is different from a 500 in europe.

And, here I thought the Germans were sticklers for fine details. ;D ;D

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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 03:14:57 PM »
Another possibility is the jets. If they are only partly clogged...it will idle or run at lower speeds...but opening the throttle will cause it to starve and die. My son's Rebel 250 did a similar thing...cleaned the jets...never had that problem again.
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 03:45:27 PM »
My CB750 has a acceleration pump which squirts fuel into the carb to get things going until the vacuum catches up. You may have one on your 500.  The carb rubbers get hard and do leak which will make you lean. I am soaking mine in ATF to see if I can soften them up.
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 04:18:08 PM »
If it's from low RPM and you crack the throttle wide open real fast, it could be the sudden loss of vacuum starves the engine.  My 400 does it below 2500 RPM and I have to roll off until it catches and I'm fine.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 04:24:32 PM »
My CB750 has a acceleration pump which squirts fuel into the carb to get things going until the vacuum catches up. You may have one on your 500.  The carb rubbers get hard and do leak which will make you lean. I am soaking mine in ATF to see if I can soften them up.
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 05:27:51 PM »

          What about the metering pins in the throttle pistons? I haven't had as much experience with
   the four carb set-ups yet but with the single and dual carb sets, that can cause the problem that
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 06:04:33 PM »
MR. I sent you a PM I hope it went through. I am very interested.
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 07:03:15 PM »
There are 2 things that cause this symptom on CB500, which was highly resistant to this problem by design:

1. Dirty jets or jet holders. One dirty idle jet can do it, or two ro more patrially-clogged emulsifier tubes in the main jet holders.
2. Wrong timing. The most common of this symptom:
a. Points gap is too small or very wide. Too small causes early spark termination, too wide causes weak spark. The symptoms are similar.
b. Timing advance weights frozen on their pivots, or "sticky", causing erratic (or no) change in advance with engine RPM.
c. Electronic ignition with wrong static timing setting.
d. Low battery voltage, aka weak battery.

The bellcrank system on the CB500 has such low gain that you have to grab nearly 2 handfulls of throttle to get it to lean out too much if the tune is right. That's hard to do!

If you have changed the intake air filter system (like, to individual filters on each carb), then you will have to adjust the jet needles to compensate for the sudden change from rich-to-lean at 2/3 throttle. Do this by either raising the needles a notch or by drilling out the emulsifier tubes (see my post about the 750, which goes the opposite direction with the emulsifier problem - but that's a different issue).
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2006, 09:39:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, lassenc's bike is a Cb500 K3.  Different carbs and set up than the garden variety Cb500 found here in the states.

I don't know what other mods have been made to the bike. 

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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2006, 11:39:13 PM »
No mods :)

Well, I DO have a weak battery, but I plan on riding around, getting it to charge again :)

Timing shouldn't be a problem to set, so I'll check that too.

Round one :D
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2006, 01:52:18 AM »
Better to charge the battery before your ride.  Assuming your battery is at 20%, you'll need about eight hours of low speed driving to recharge the battery to full capacity, never letting the RPM below 2000.

Open road cruise, 2.4 hours of driving should do it.

Charging system isn't all that powerful.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2006, 01:56:21 AM »
" Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted"
                     The engine is thinking
Oh.. he`s try to overspeed again  , only the bike now how  wery big the speeding ticket was, so the engine say`s  no  my owner cant afford it  don`t  ;D!

By the way do your engine get petrole she is needing  ???
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2006, 02:14:30 AM »
Well, I would think so, haven't had the chance to take it for a long spin yet, just passed my license the 17th of Feb.

But today I will :)
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2006, 02:58:52 AM »
congratulations ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2006, 04:49:12 AM »
By the way do your engine get petrole she is needing  ???

That was my question, too. Have you recently changed the fuel supply lines or added an inline filter?
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2006, 09:10:24 AM »
By the way do your engine get petrole she is needing  ???

That was my question, too. Have you recently changed the fuel supply lines or added an inline filter?

Not at all.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2006, 01:53:54 PM »
Have you checked that the carburetors get enough petrole ???
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2006, 03:17:50 PM »
Have you checked that the carburetors get enough petrole ???

Haven't checked anything yet.

The problem seems to fade away when the engine is warm though
How exactly do you teach abstinence though?
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Re: Engine dies when quick acceleration is wanted!
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2006, 07:47:06 PM »
did the motor used to run good, or sit for a while or anything?  I am gonna put my money on one or more of the carbs plugged.  try riding it it with the choke on and then crack the throttle.  if it doesn't still do it then you are lean.  but if I read right it only does it when cold?  if so then I would chalk it up as cold blooded and ride the living hell outta it.  I know my kz44o is cold blooded as hell and it takes 5-10 miles of highway riding to get it to "warm up".

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2006, 10:06:28 PM »
Oh, I thought of something else.  What are your spark plug numbers?  Should be NGK D7EA, NOT D8EA for a stock bike.  Makes a big difference during warm up.

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