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Offline Cqyqte

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Oil Coolers
« on: August 14, 2010, 05:50:47 AM »
I realize that with the 849cc pistons and hot weather I need to install an oil cooler.  I have the spin-on filter adapter with remote cooler outputs.  My question is, am I best to utilize those outputs or can I run my oil return lines through a cooler then to the oil tank.  Which would be the most effective?  I'd like to use the return line because I want to place the cooler under the frame, rear left side with a scoup to grab air from under the bike and deflect it up through the fins.  Using the spin-on output means extremely long oil lines.

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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 07:57:55 AM »
I don't think I would place the cooler under the frame due to possible damage from road hazards. I think a better option is running the oil return line to a cooler mounted up front CR750 style for good airflow. You will have longer lines that which run along the frame backbone and also gain a tad more oil capacity.

"Fishead Big Brakes" offers a CR750 (style) oil cooler kit: http://www.fishheadbigbrakes.com/services.html  Notice how the red color oil lines are routed in the photo.

Other cooling options are a full finned oil pan from a later model K, oil filter adapter from a F model and aftermarket finned covers:







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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 10:16:01 AM »
I have the finned caps and they help but not enough.  I'm think of running a slim line cooler up in the frame opening, chainside with an air scoop direction air from below up through it.  I'm tinkering at adding 3 computer boxer fans on the top side that will cut in when the bikes in neutral and above a specific temp.


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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 10:42:21 AM »
Nice clean chop! How's that hard tail and spring loaded seat on an old back and neck? I'm eventually going to do one like your's. I have Big Jay's 1000 kit and Crower rods, a big valve head plus a similar tank awaiting a soft tail frame from CycleOne after I get my current restore completed.


I don't know which option might be best. I doubt anyone has tried both then reported back in. Looks like you may be our official tester. Perhaps use the adapter outputs first for ease and determine if it suits your needs? I'm not sure what you mean by your other option you have mentioned? I know looks is important but functionality is paramount. I have a Lockhart setup to use on one of my 2 projects. The restore is my 75 CB750F which has the electrical junction box right where the Lockhart should go. I either need to get around that or use it on the impending street fighter chop. 
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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 11:03:51 AM »
one advantage to running through the adapter is that your freshly cooled oil goes straight into your main oil galley then right into the main bearings
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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 02:38:27 PM »
Yes but which way will reduce engine temperature more?  Probably the adaptor, because the cool oil hits the larger heat masses faster.

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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 03:22:25 PM »
That tank is awesome! 
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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 03:33:01 PM »
Thanks, it's a little impractical.  I only get 3 gal. useable because of the petcock location but I do love the lines it give the bike.  Everyone calls it a chopper, I think it looks like an version of a "board track racer".

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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 06:12:19 PM »
The oil becomes its hottest at the crank a rod journals.  Then it is cooled by the engine cases and the oil pan before it gets to the scavenge pump (CB750).  The oil tank gets the hot oil next and it's outer surface area cools it some more.  The oil pump draws this oil from the tank and pushes it to the oil filter where the canister cooling fins remove more heat before feeding the oil galley feeding the main and rod journals.

Note the physics of heat transfer states that it occurs most rapidly when the source and destination have the largest differential.  In other words, a 90 degree heat sink will draw heat faster from a 300 degree source than a 200 degree source given the thermal transfer efficiency remains the same.  So, place your heat exchanger closest to where the oil is heated the highest, as that will cool the oil the most rapidly using the same size surface area exchanger and the same air flow.

IMO, you only need an oil cooler if the oil is being heated above accepted limits (300F or above depending on your oil choice).  And, it is the motor cases/cooling fins that keep the oil within those limits.

The SOHC4 is primarily an AIR cooled motor.  And while the oil does carry some heat away to external cooling devices, it is only a very small part of the needed heat exchange.  The air is where the heat is absorbed, then carried away by its movement/replacement.

Have you thought about using your computer fans to keep air moving over the engine fins?  If you keep the motor cool the oil will also stay cool.

Consider that the oil may remove 10% (WAG) of the engine heat.  Even if you double the oil to heat exchanger efficiency, the overall heat exchange of the motor has had minimal impact with the addition of an oil cooler.

Conversely, over cooled oil does not lube as well as correct temperature oil.  Beware of designing a system that ONLY operates properly in hot whether under high power settings and minimal airflow over it, as at other times the oil won't do it's job as well as it should. 

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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 06:18:58 PM »
Thanks for the info, I would consider just cooling the fins but fans would look like ass.  I thought a cooler might be the answer, may I just have to live with the fact that I have to stay away from traffic jams on extremely hot days.

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Re: Oil Coolers
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 06:53:55 PM »
Thanks for the info, I would consider just cooling the fins but fans would look like ass. 
You could shroud the fans or use a duct to hide them.
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