Topic: Confused with POR15's Metal Ready

[Really?]

I have shook the chit outta the tank with Metal Ready and screws.  Poured it back into the bottle (glad I found this out, first bottle went down the driveway) and there is a somewhat thick powdery substance.

I have read that the phosphorous coating is left.  I read that this is supposed to be washed out or wiped off?  I have run gallons of water through it to rinse it but it seams to want to stay.

I have also read that this slows the rust and the liner should stick to it?

I have searched here and on POR15's site and I am still left confused.

Does this stuff stay or go?  Does it have to gone for the liner to stick or is this ideal for the liner to stick too?

This is my second go at this and it is getting expensive.  Thanks.

[dave500]

it stays,ive used a por kit and its good,threes years on now,ive just used an australian one,"kbs" coatings brand,same deal three step thing.

[shizzomynizzo]

The zinc coating is good. A lot of people confuse it for surface rust, but it's not.

The por15 will stick to it. No problems

[Gordon]

You want that thin layer there.  It's the only thing keeping the bare steel from instantly forming a layer of rust, and the coating won't stick permanently to a thin layer of rust.  

[Really?]

Kewl, I feel better!  Thanks y'all.

It does not look like rust for sure.  It is a light gray/white-ish color.  Most of the tank I can see through the coating and on the hump in the middle I cannot.

It is definitely keeping the flash rust away.  Still a little damp in there today but hopefully this Texas heat will have it dry soon.  It is baking in the sun right now.

Hope this thread helps someone in the future.

Thanks again.

[shizzomynizzo]

To dry it faster, blow hot air from a hair dryer through it. I duct taped one to mine and it worked good.

[Really?]

I started to do that and gave up - all too hot, dryer and the sun.  Then momma was trippin' on her hair dryer being in the back yard, lol.

I left that Metal Ready in the tank for two days.  The top of the tank was really bad.  Prolly one of the worst spots in the tank other than the pinholes in the bottom but looked the pinholed areas looked much better than the top.

That coating has blocked any flash rust I can see from sitting in the garage over night.

So hope this liner sticks this time!

[Hush]

I used that stuff to fix my son's 400 tank and it worked great, I don't understand the science but I can read instructions.
The inside of your tank will look a pale grey colour when it sets, just think of it as a plastic coating Tipper.

[Really?]

Hey Smarty Pants, I can read instructions too!  

But, when they are told differently by the same company in more than one way, then I get confused.

What is written in the included instructions I got, what is on the bottles labels and on there site is slightly different.  Which is what messed me up the first time and got me confused the second time.  The site says to wipe the film left off after you are finished with Metal Ready. But then you read that when it is there, it keeps the flash rust at bay and helps stick to it.  So that is why I asked the questions above.

I am not going to do it a third time!  

But then part of my job at work is writing documentation.  It has to flow right, be correct and understandable by its audience.  So, maybe that is why too?!  I could be the whole problem, lol.

But thanks for the clarification all!  I am feeling like I will succeed this time! 

Then onto the repaint since the stripper followed the can and on to the paint when I was pouring it into the funnel.   

[Really?]

Momma wants black so I was thinking a gloss black with a dark blue pearlescent clear coat.

[dave500]

you can reuse that metal ready stuff,like on bolts and screws etc,i soak rusty parts in mollases 50/50 with water for two weeks and they come out great,then use the metal ready or similar and its as good as it gets.,you can dump rusty old discs from a car in mollases and they look new.knock the encrusted stuff off and make sure all the grease is cleaned out of the hubs first.

[RAFster122s]

Why would you want to ruin good mollases by putting water in it and then rusty parts?
Unless this is not so great mollases...
(I grew up in Tennessee and had farming relatives in SW Virginia and mollases from the farm were very tasty but the store bought mollases, not even half as good.)

[dave500]

6 bucks for 5 litres,rids that rust and last for ages,smells like rum after a few weeks,dont hurt chrome or paint,thats why i ruin good mollases,i live in queensland,a sugar cane state.

[RAFster122s]

6 bucks for 5 litres,rids that rust and last for ages,smells like rum after a few weeks,dont hurt chrome or paint,thats why i ruin good mollases,i live in queensland,a sugar cane state.

That's very inexpensive mollases...sounds like they taste good as well.
Hey it works for removing the rust and it is a bio-degradeable green cleaner...

[brandEn]

I know this is an old thread!

Hey Tipper got a report on the finished product?

[Stev-o]

Did you paint yet? I really liked it Blue.

[Really?]

Report on the liner?  It's done.  Mind you the first time it did not stick.  Second attempt, I spilled the stripper on the tank, it krinkled in a couple seconds.  I used a BIG funnel when I poured it in, it followed the can as I was pouring it into the funnel.

Liner is quite think inside and I did the outside bottom as well.  It had holes and the initial cleaning found more.  It holds fuel, no problem.

This a major time consuming process, I hope to NEVER have to do it again!

Reminder to those with a melting liner making the carbs stick, DON"T FORGET to clean the fuel lines too!  I realized I had forgot to clean those after the second carb cleaning.  The liner was still coming into the carbs and making the throttle slides sticky to the point they froze.  It does not take much.

No paint yet, this a F'd up blue on the tank.  Side covers are raw plastic.  Still too damn cold to paint.

I like the blue as well.  I notice that when I look at pics.  Momma wants another color and I am trying to convince her to go back to something like that.  She wants some form of black whether it is flat, satin or glossy.  Thinking of giving her a glossy black and then a clear coat with a dark blue pearlesant(sp?) in the clear.  I am trying to get a blue in there somewhere.

If that is not the update you were looking for, lemme know.

[brandEn]

So it sounds like you had to do it twice. Do you know why it didn't stick the first time? And what do you mean by a melting liner? I just ordered a Por15 kit and was planning on taking on this project soon. I am a bit nervous because there are so many mixed reviews and opinions of this stuff. It seems to work really well or really bad depending on who you talk to.

[Bob Wessner]

For what it is worth, about 5-6 years ago, I took my 750 out of the corner of the garage after a 22 year sleep. I went with the POR-15 kit (three steps; clean, acid wash, then liner). After doing the cleaner and then the phosphoric acid step, the interior of the tank looked brand new. I decided to not bother with the liner. To this day, the tank looks great inside. I just emptied it for the first time in 5-6 years to inspect it. Again, just for what it is worth.

[Really?]

Hey Bob, If my tank did not show daylight through more than two holes, i woulda probably done what you did. 

Anyway, it all started some time after i got the bike.  The throttle got sticky and then even stickier.   I replaces cables, thottles sleve, lubed the cables and the carb rack and they were still sticky.  In the tank was some red liner, dunno what it was. Started to clean the carbs and saw some dark red stuff, same color as the liner.  It was flowing through the carbs from the tank.

As i was stripping the red chit outta the tank I could hear it crackling and it looked like a busted windshield.

I think it was my fault as to why it did not stick.  I did not let the tank dry enough.  Many different intstructions, even from the POR-15 people (ie. on the bottles/cans, included instructions and on thier website).  Anyway, it was not sticking and peeled away.

This second time I think I waited two days to dry.  I kept checking with a mirror and flash light.  Yes, I even jammed a blow dryer in the filler neck.

To me, this project blow chunks.  My entire first day is just going through the different steps and rotating and shaking the tank.  After the liner was in, i was always going in with the mirror and flashlight checking it.  Then, I lined it with a second coat and then the flashlight mirror thing.  Over two weeks for me to get this done - the second time.

So, this is what I went through, others I am sure are different.  This was the first tank I had ever lined too.

[Bob Wessner]

  True enough. Never saw a hole acid would fill in. 

[brandEn]

hopefully I can get away with just the first 2 steps. I want to avoid the headache. Thanks Tipper

[Stev-o]

hopefully I can get away with just the first 2 steps. I want to avoid the headache. Thanks Tipper

The kit cost about $50, right? If your tank needs paint, why not just buy a clean tank and skip the whole process?

[brandEn]

I think my tank is pretty good. It has some minor rust and was thinking the por15 treatment would just be a precaution.

[Really?]

Note that some of that stuff is re-usable so don't pour it down the driveway like I did the first time!  It'll cost ya twice if you end up doing it twice like it did me.