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Offline mazingerzeca

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Do I chrome aluminum?
« on: February 23, 2006, 07:41:45 AM »
Hello all.
I have a cb 750 78', and the aluminum covers of the engine that are no painted (I mean crankshaft cover, dyno cover and gear cover) are unpolished and no brilliant.
I thought about polishing aluminum and hope it to be right for several years, but I think that maybe it would be better to polish it and after to chrome it, but I have some doubts. Will it be better, durable than just polishing? Does the chrome resist so high temperatures? Which kind of chroming or how many layers of chroming use? Has anyone tried this? Thank you very much.

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2006, 08:11:14 AM »
You can chrome aluminum but it will not be as durable as chroming a ferrous material. Cam covers etc eventually flake. How about polishing and clear powdercoating?
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2006, 10:39:41 AM »
Chroming aluminum is fine for show bikes that trailer from show to show and never actually get ridden.
In the real world chrome and aluminum just don't mix, they are very reactive to each other and if a perfectly chromed aluminum part gets a tiny scratch through the plating it will rapidly corrode under the plating - which just peels/cracks off.
Essentially the chrome plating never lasts long plus the aluminum is made brittle in the chroming process.
You do need to do multiple layer plating to get it to work at all, so as well as being undesirable it's quite expensive.

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2006, 10:45:08 AM »
When I got my 550, the previous owner had a good number of aluminum parts plated- the brake drum backing plate, clutch housing, points/alternator covers, cam tops and bowls, valve cover, cam chain cover, etc. It looked pretty decent when I got it, but a couple seasons of real riding followed by a couple seasons of poor storage (under a tarp in the garage) put an end to that. I painted over most of it, but some of the pitted stuff remains as a reminder of why you SHOULDN'T chrome aluminum.
I'm with MRieck- polish and clear powdercoat should do the trick.
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 12:26:16 PM »
I addition to all the other reasons, I suspect the expansion/contraction rate of aluminum doesn't help either.
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2006, 12:58:16 PM »
one of my "parts bikes" has a lot of chrome over the alloy and most of those parts look like they have been hosed with salt water and left to rot

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2006, 02:18:32 PM »
This is good to know.  I was thinking of havong mine done in copper (same process I believe).  Would I expect the same problems?  If so, whta about powdercoating?  Does that hold fine?

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2006, 06:24:07 PM »
Burris, you can polish those covers to a really nice mirror like shine which is softer and less harsh than chrome. Once you polish them, they are really easy to keep.
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2006, 08:47:28 PM »
Like BobbyR says, polishing will really bring up the aluminium and it's easy to keep. I had the alum. covers on my 750 professionally done. I tried myself but didn't have the patience. I have some old forks that were chromed and it's flaking off now - it looks terrible. Go here for an engine pic., a larger version of my avatar.  http://image32.webshots.com/33/7/53/51/249575351xkHxDu_fs.jpg
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2006, 08:49:55 PM »
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2006, 12:34:08 AM »
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2006, 01:51:14 AM »
Well I suppose it all depends on how long you intend to keep the bike, and if you think of chrome as just another coating like paint that will eventually need to be replaced (any good plater can strip and re-chrome old parts) eventually, it's not so bad.

I've got some "manky" chrome plated parts (including a really trick looking finned alternator cover) in my garage, but many of these items were done over 20 years ago and then left in the weather for a long time, so there aren't too many coatings that will hold up much better under these circumstances.

A lot of "accessory" chrome items that were available at bike shops back in the day were very poorly chromed, often it wasn't chrome at all but nickel, while all the "quality" platers were "triple plating" (copper/nickel/chrome) their parts, which was more labour intensive, (and more expensive) but a lot more durable.

I too like polished alloy that has been clear coated, but once again, this isn't a permanent fix, and (depending on use and exposure to weather) will require repeated treatments over several years, which is a pain. I'd rather ride than polish so I'd consider just chroming the external covers rather than spend my spare time buffing aluminum. I spent a couple of evenings doing the valve cover on my K1 about 24 years ago, and by the time I'd lost my finger-prints, I'd also lost all interest in polishing, forever! Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2006, 09:17:36 AM »
I use ZOOP (I think thats the name).  It's a wax for polished aluminum that is ceramic based. It holds the shine for 3 years! This has been my alternatice to chrome.

I don't mine polishing and waxing my bike every 3 years... 
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2006, 12:30:58 PM »
Burris, you can polish those covers to a really nice mirror like shine which is softer and less harsh than chrome. Once you polish them, they are really easy to keep.

Right, but I am looking for a copper finish which is why I ask about powdercoating.

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2006, 03:17:09 PM »
Copper would look really neat polished, but tarnishes at an alarming rate, and as it would be a pretty thin coating then it would only be so long before you polished your way through it. Maybe you could copper plate it, polish it, then clear coat; worth a try, you've nothing to lose really.

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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2006, 04:58:00 PM »
Polishing the covers are not really a long of difficult job. If they are not really corroded. Unlike Terry I am a slacker by nature, so I use power tools. A couple of polishing wheels,an electric drill, and some rouge sticks you can buy from Sears ($10.00) and in short order they will be mirror bright. To keep them bright, you need to quickly rub them with a bit of Mothers Aluminum Polish once year. I am re doing mine again after 5 years, so it will last a while. Chrome is much brighter if that is the look you need.
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Re: Do I chrome aluminum?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2006, 04:57:23 AM »
Copper would look really neat polished, but tarnishes at an alarming rate, and as it would be a pretty thin coating then it would only be so long before you polished your way through it. Maybe you could copper plate it, polish it, then clear coat; worth a try, you've nothing to lose really.

Great.  Thanks.  I'll look into it when the time comes.   :)