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CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« on: August 24, 2010, 06:57:08 AM »
Does anyone manufacture an aftermarket 4-into-4 exhaust for the early CB750s? There are a slew of 4-1 and 4-2 exhausts, but I haven't seen a 4-4, other than the stock one.  :-[

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2010, 07:47:42 AM »
how much you willing to pay?  :D

check out these beauties on benji site., bottom of the page...
http://www.benjiescaferacer.com/exhaust.html
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2010, 09:15:04 AM »
how much you willing to pay?  :D

check out these beauties on benji site., bottom of the page...
http://www.benjiescaferacer.com/exhaust.html

Nice, I like the look of that. I'd imagine it would resist corrosion better than the OEM model, since it's stainless?

Any other alternatives?

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 04:53:58 AM »
Yes, they are sweet indeed, and stainless.



They cost a bit, but I'm glad I got them.

Swarbricks also makes a 4 into 4 system, but it is A.) Designed for racing, and B.) Requires fitment to your bike - e.i. cutting and welding and bending to get it just right. They can be pretty killer, though.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 05:27:51 AM »
Nice bike!

Is the S/S unit quite loud compared to the stock one?

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 10:52:32 AM »
Those are sweet!

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2010, 06:10:37 AM »
Compared to stock, yes, they are louder. They are glass pack, though, and re-packable, so that helps keep a nice mellow tone.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 11:32:41 PM »
I just purchased 4 "universal" replacement exhaust pipes...(not including the headers).  These are bolt on so you need the original Honda headers.  What I did was purchase a second set of pipes and cut the headers off and tossed the tail sections.  The replacement exhaust is not advertised to replace cb750 exhaust but the pipes are almost identical to the original.  If you cut the pipes off right at the weld the length is just about right.  The clearance around the footpegs and rear wheel remains the same.  These worked out great for me!  Gives a nice sound (different than stock, louder...but better than what it sounds like with rusted out tails).  Anyways, just bolt these on the headers and play around with the mounting brackets that are provided and you get a very close to stock look.  BTW...my total cost was only $180.00 after shipping!  Here's the link to the ebay item I purchased.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Extra-long-Reverse-cone-Megaphone-Muffler-/170412792857?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27ad64dc19

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 12:40:43 AM »
how much you willing to pay?  :D
check out these beauties on benji site., bottom of the page...
http://www.benjiescaferacer.com/exhaust.html
My story about BCR exhaust, which appears elsewhere on this board as part of larger thread:

Exhaust:


This is probably the quintessential BCR and disappointing experience: beautiful looking pieces that will be fabulous on my bike . . . once I finally am able to get them to fit.

Again, I had constantly told Benji my bike was a 73 but they exhaust design they use fits a later model manifold.



Thankfully, we have a good Japanese bike salvage yard and I was able to find the correct pieces, but it took three hours of driving, scrounging, haggling and wire wheeling to get them and into nice shape.



The headers and mufflers all arrived labelled 1 through 4 so this would seem to translate into a relatively straightforward install. I mount headers labelled 1-4 in exhaust ports and it looks like an octopus; pipes point in every direction but rearward. Ok, maybe my 1, 2, 3, 4 is really their 4, 3, 2, 1, so I reverse the order of the headers and again it looks like a clusteru#$%* of tubing.

Benji has sent me pictures of the pipes mocked up and they look fine, so I decide to work backwards. It’s easy to figure out which muffler goes where so I’ll just match the header to the muffler. The mufflers mount to the passenger peg holes but they ship with a bolt far to short to even fit through the mount holes. I quickly discover that this is not just a metric bolt but a very specific automotive fastener that no major auto parts store locally carries. Three hours on the phone I find some hole in the wall shop that has some but I need to buy 100 of them in order to get two.

I mount the right side pipes and find two headers that match. Now I proceed with the left side, but there is no way they’re going to work. To make a long story short, my pipes were fabricated on cb750 frame that had a custom mounted and relocated kickstand, whereas mine was in the stock location. Number 4 pipe was not going to clear at all.

BCR:



Stock:



Benji asked for all sorts of pictures to try and figure out the problem and couldn't see or acknowledge that his from was different than mine. He did offer to fix or replace the pipe in question, but if you look at where everything lines up, a new pipe 4 means a new pipe 3 and since the whole setup is meant to be be symmetrical, it would mean new pipes on the right side:




And the real question is how many more months must I wait to get things going on this bike build?

Despite his insistence to the contrary, the only solution was to relocate the kickstand in order for pipe 4 to clear the frame. So I cut off the kick stand and now my exhaust fits.Since I also lost my center stand, my bike is now marooned on the lift until I get my new weld on stand (it’s in the mail). The old stand is simply too short and won’t fit along the bottom rail in concert with the exhaust.

I am happy to report I found a really trick kickstand that will look great and flow with the lines of the exhaust, but $165 and three weeks later, this seems to be a Mantra for this bike.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 04:34:18 AM »
I had to be a little bit creative on mine, too. If you look back at my pic you will see a little spacer that lowers and spreads out the pipes a bit.Otherwise they would have hit the swing arm and chain. I chalked it up to ordering customer fit stuff through the mail with nothing but pictures to go by.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 08:00:33 AM »
I had to be a little bit creative on mine, too. If you look back at my pic you will see a little spacer that lowers and spreads out the pipes a bit.Otherwise they would have hit the swing arm and chain. I chalked it up to ordering customer fit stuff through the mail with nothing but pictures to go by.
Thanks for pointing it out, I hadn't noticed your improvements.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 08:26:19 AM »
You can also get a pretty sweet 4:4 system from the Japanest shop SUPERBUILD-MAXIMUM http://sb-max.com/web/cb750_maf/cb750_maf.html Just click on the pics, maybe find a website translator too....

BIG, BIG, BIG money though (LIKE 4 GRAND!) but you can get them in titanium, not just that common stainless steel crap.  ;D

AH, finally a pic I can post!

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 08:33:04 AM »
i will have 2 sets of 4-4 originals in about 3 days.  how much are they worth??
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 09:55:40 AM »
Wow!The friggin pipes are worth more than most people's bikes.If I was going to spend that kind of money,I would just get a modern bike and save my CB for occassional rides.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2010, 10:02:05 AM »
For the time being you could always get a MAC 4 into 1 setup from ebay for $2-$300.
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2010, 05:28:47 PM »

Love the sound of that one, has anyone ever seen a video of the bike being ridden like nobody's nervous mommy was watching?

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2010, 07:53:31 AM »

This one of a kind set of handmade Bimota HB-1 or Magni-style megs for a CB750K are now available for purchase. They have only been mounted to check for fit and to do photos/videos.

You can YUKU me or PM me at ted@classiccyclecity.com. More photos and videos can be found at http://www.classiccyclecity.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=29.  Thanks!  RR

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2010, 10:53:29 AM »
Those Classic Cycle City Magni repop exhausts are a great idea. Are you using stock headpipes w/ those black mufflers? Price?

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2010, 12:02:16 PM »

Stock headers cut off before the original mufflers; that's the way they were designed - for easy installation. They even bolt into the stock K passenger peg mounts and so will also fit a multitude of aftermarket frames including Rickman, Seeley, etc.

Price...? Fair to the knowledgable, but not cheap. We made multiple trips to Switzerland, delivered a CB750K roller with motor for pattern, and spent a significant chunk of change for the work. There was no choice; after our searching for almost two years, no one in the US could make this design for us at a doable price even within an unreasonable time. If there are ever any other sets they will have to come from the same maker. You can take a look at our website listed above to follow, and appreciate, the creation of these parts.

This is a private one-time deal so the pricing will be between the buyer and us; someone might want them for resale. But this will not be a profit-making venture for us; it was never expected to be. Please PM with contact info if you want more specifics. You can also find my phone number on our website. The set will go to the first actual buyer. I have them in California and can ship immediately. Thanks! RR

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2010, 01:30:04 PM »
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2010, 02:25:31 PM »
Hey Kranzk,
 Can you post some pics of these mufflers on your bike?
Thanks.

I just purchased 4 "universal" replacement exhaust pipes...(not including the headers).  These are bolt on so you need the original Honda headers.  What I did was purchase a second set of pipes and cut the headers off and tossed the tail sections.  The replacement exhaust is not advertised to replace cb750 exhaust but the pipes are almost identical to the original.  If you cut the pipes off right at the weld the length is just about right.  The clearance around the footpegs and rear wheel remains the same.  These worked out great for me!  Gives a nice sound (different than stock, louder...but better than what it sounds like with rusted out tails).  Anyways, just bolt these on the headers and play around with the mounting brackets that are provided and you get a very close to stock look.  BTW...my total cost was only $180.00 after shipping!  Here's the link to the ebay item I purchased.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Extra-long-Reverse-cone-Megaphone-Muffler-/170412792857?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27ad64dc19
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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2010, 02:50:14 PM »

Absolutely there are any number of other options to these curved exhaust. I'd recommend that most builders investigate them; I know I'll be doing so as well. It took over a year and a half to get these and I don't have the time or patience to go through that again.

We're still trying to find someone (hopefully in SoCal) we can work with to make other special exhaust systems.

And I didn't mean to overly concern anyone about the pricing on these megs. It's not shocking, but it involves a degree of committment that many of us simply can't make these days. But the price is definately doable for many who want to build a unique bike. Thanks for your consideration. You all know how to reach me if these are for you....   :)  RR

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Re: CB750 Exhaust - Any 4-into-4 alternatives to the OEM unit?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2010, 04:06:12 PM »
If only there was a set of those cycle city pipes for the 550/550 :-( Really beautiful stuff though, RR. And the sound!  :o

I don't expect to get very satisfactory results, but an engineering buddy and I are planning to try a few different things with a couple of those cone-eng cones to see if we can make a one off set of curved pipes for my 500. We want to try and keep tooling as cheap and low-tech as we can manage. The cones are pretty cheap, so I'll only be out a few bucks and time (probably lots of it). Bending a cone without kinks presents a pretty damn challenging problem.

If\when that doesn't work out... options, options... :-)