Topic: Ignition Problems

[Markcb750]

I keep the screen & pan clean.

The problem was with the Dyna, they believe it was a gap problem, I believe they where wrong.  We have agreed to disagree.

Mark

[lucky]

The fact that you said it failed with points ignition as well as electronic ignition obviously means you need to look at other areas.

It needs a complete work up.

You did not give us the mileage on the bike.

[Markcb750]

The fact that you said it failed with points ignition as well as electronic ignition obviously means you need to look at other areas.

It needs a complete work up.

You did not give us the mileage on the bike.

Who you talking too?

[Gordon]

Whatchoo talkinbout, Willis!?

[Nikkisixx]

"everybody's talkin' at me, I can't hear a word they're sayin..."

[Markcb750]

Left for a long ride to the Bull City Run last weekend.  Bike started to miss at High RPM...

Took the points cover off points where rough as I expected after 5000 miles without replacement and only filing and resetting 2000 miles ago.

Took a dollar bill and rubbed between the points. put the cover back on and lit out again. not much improvement.  Back to the house.

Filled & reset point gaps and checked timing, static only, back to running peerrrrfectly.

[ofreen]

Left for a long ride to near the Canadian border.  Rode for extended periods at 65-75 mph in 90+ degree heat for 5 days heavily loaded, crossing the continental divide a few times and the bike never missed a beat.  Never gave the Dyan S ignition installed over 21 years and 102,000 miles ago the first thought let alone a second one.

[Markcb750]

Left for a long ride to near the Canadian border.  Rode for extended periods at 65-75 mph in 90+ degree heat for 5 days heavily loaded, crossing the continental divide a few times and the bike never missed a beat.  Never gave the Dyan S ignition installed over 21 years and 102,000 miles ago the first thought let alone a second one.

You are one of the lucky ones. As I have stated repeatedly, had Dyna given me a new pickup I would be satisfied. 

Your case does not prove my Dyna was not defective, and that they where not incompetent in their testing of my failed unit. 

Glad yours worked out for you.

Mark.

[Terry in Australia]

Left for a long ride to near the Canadian border.  Rode for extended periods at 65-75 mph in 90+ degree heat for 5 days heavily loaded, crossing the continental divide a few times and the bike never missed a beat.  Never gave the Dyan S ignition installed over 21 years and 102,000 miles ago the first thought let alone a second one.

That's been my experience too Greg, the more I see "horror stories" about Dyna ignitions, the more I realise that the one factor that determines success or failure is the competence of the person who installed it in the first instance. If you know what you're doing, you won't have a problem. Cheers, Terry.

[Markcb750]

Left for a long ride to near the Canadian border.  Rode for extended periods at 65-75 mph in 90+ degree heat for 5 days heavily loaded, crossing the continental divide a few times and the bike never missed a beat.  Never gave the Dyan S ignition installed over 21 years and 102,000 miles ago the first thought let alone a second one.

That's been my experience too Greg, the more I see "horror stories" about Dyna ignitions, the more I realise that the one factor that determines success or failure is the competence of the person who installed it in the first instance. If you know what you're doing, you won't have a problem. Cheers, Terry.

Witty, cleaver, often true.  But not this time me little upside down friend.

[Grnrngr]

Sorry, I'm gonna have to call BS, Terry, I'm totally incompetnat, put mine in myself and still haven't had any problaymos

[Terry in Australia]

Sorry, I'm gonna have to call BS, Terry, I'm totally incompetnat, put mine in myself and still haven't had any problaymos

Ha ha, I should have added "Lucky" to the pre-requisites. I'm not having a shot at Mark (who's obviously a bit sensitive about the issue) but I would have said he was probably just "unlucky". Cheers, Terry.

[somesuch]

On one of my bikes a capacitor would fail when the bike got hot. It left me stranded once. That was with a stock setup. On another bike I have a Martek that the previous owner put on it. It is very old, but it is still working. This Martek does not have that many miles on it though, as in the 6 years that I have the bike I only put about 1kmi. The guy before me did not ride the bike much either. Some miles on the bike that came from me were during very hot 100 degree days....so I am sure the thing did get hot.

Reading in the past about all the (early) electronic ignition failures, I never took my bike with aftermarket ignition too far from home.

It seems  that aftermarket is not unique in having ignition system issues. Ford TFI comes to mind, as well as Honda accord ignitor failures in the early 90's Accords...I am sure there were many more, it's just those two I have personal experience with. All of those problems seemed to have disappeared in the OEM ignitions. I am sure that the aftermarket has benefited from the experience as well.

--Nick

Well, as luck would have it, one of my CB's (K2) developed an intermittent no-spark condition on cylinders 2-3 I had bought a Dyna S for it about 2 years ago. At that time I was thinking that I was buying myself some trouble-free miles and since I only ride that bike a couple of times a year, I figured that the ignition would outlast me, but ....... my Dyna S decided to quit completely one day which made it very easy to troubleshoot, but left me stranded.

A call to Dynatek, and after a long hold I get to talk to Larry, who insists that Dyna S is the very best ignition available.They sell, according to him, about 1000 units/year worldwide, and only get about 40 back. Larry says that he also has Dyna S on his bike without any problems,  and that he was a customer before he became an employee.....that's how much he believes in his product! Larry tells me to send the unit back to Dynatek's new location in Belgrade for evaluation. He hints that even though the unit is about 2.5 years old they might "take care" of me seeing that I only have about 10 rides on it.

I should have read this thread twice, before spending time and money to send them the failed ignition....

I wait for a (promised) call back from Dynatek (once they receive and test my unit)......after 19 days I realize that I have to follow up myself.

Three calls later (basically the same pattern as Mark's), long holds, etc., I get to talk to a gentleman who tells me that they tested my ignition, verified that one of the transistors is bad, and that he could "take care" of me and send me a new unit for $70....he believes that  this one would last...he tells me I have a lucky RA number of 20777....I have my doubts, and I say so....our call somehow gets disconnected. I call back and after a couple of holds of more than 15 min each, I finally get to talk to Larry, who remembers me.

He repeats the reliability story, points out that he did qualify "...take care of you given..." with a "maybe" (I wonder what would the scenario be in which they actually would take care of the out of warranty failure that he alluded to in the previous conversation?) and says that $70 on a replacement would be the best they could do, that he is not in the warranty dept., and that it is out of his hands....I remind him about what we had talked, about the low hours on the Dyna, about others having similar failures, but Larry says that he does not really care about any of that or what people think about Dynatek,  He then graciously grants me a permission to quote him on that Larry also seems to be familiar with "another company making ignition systems" for our CB's (Pamco) and tells me that I will be back begging for that $70 deal he is offering after two weeks with that "other" ignition....he claims "it is even worse then ours"  ....I almost laughed when he said it

Well, at this point I asked him to please send me my unit back (to keep as a souvenir, so I would not forget my experience with Dyna S), and suggest we say our good byes....which we do.

The point of all this is: I was skeptical about the failures, customer service issues, and did not really read too closely, even though I had Dynatek's ignition on my bike, until it was my bike that would not run

[pamcopete]

somesuch,

Well, it's interesting that Dyna would say something about PAMCO's out of warranty service. PAMCO's for the CB750, 550, 500 were first offered in September of last year with a one year warranty, so obviously, we have not had any out of warranty issues to deal with! LOL

But, it's time to set the out of warranty policy for PAMCO:

1. PAMCO ignitions will be repaired out of warranty for a flat fee of $45.
2. One or both of the PC boards will be replaced with new for this fee.
3. Customer to return the plate complete with both PC boards.
4. Plate and rotor must be undamaged and reusable.
5. Customer to pay shipping costs both ways. ($5.20 each way Priority Mail)
6. Customer may choose a less expensive shipping method. IE: First Class mail or parcel post.
7. Repaired PAMCO will have a new one year warranty.
8. New warranty cost of shipping is one way only.

[somesuch]

I think Larry was talking about the quality of Pamco ignition, and not the warranty. Sorry I worded it such that you got that impression. The way he said it almost made me laugh because saying that Y is *even* worse than X, implies to me that X is not very good. (the word "even" creates that meaning for me)

[somesuch]

Well, to follow up on what happened with Dyna.... it took them almost a month to return my burnt Dyna ignition back, I almost gave up on it! Add that to almost a month it took them to take a look at it. (if I did not call them, who knows if they were going to or not, despite of what they said when I got the RA number to send  it in) And I still did not get the answer from them as to the why they wanted to spend my shipping money to send them my burnt Dyna if they knew from the start that they were not going to replace it under warranty. We talked from the beginning about my low usage unit being out of warranty time wise, but I was led to believe that if I sent it in, they somehow might "take care" of it after they examine it. To my question later what scenario would result in them replacing my failed Dyna S under warranty, they could not come up with any...... than why waste my money and time!

Anyway, since there are so many failed Dyna ignitions out there, it may be a good idea to set up a way for people with burnt units to connect so they can repair their ignitions........ since most of the time it is just one of the pick-ups that fails. Owners who are wanting to repair their Dyna and as of now can't (Dyna will not sell you just one of the pick-ups) should be able to find other owners of Dyna who do not wish to repair theirs.......just need to match up the right pickup (cyl 1-4, or cyl 2-3)

I go first   available for the cost of shipping a "fresh" Dyna S ignition for the CB750 with failed 2-3 pick-up.

Probably should make a separate thread for that though.

--Nick

[Terry in Australia]

Well, to follow up on what happened with Dyna.... it took them almost a month to return my burnt Dyna ignition back, I almost gave up on it! Add that to almost a month it took them to take a look at it. (if I did not call them, who knows if they were going to or not, despite of what they said when I got the RA number to send  it in) And I still did not get the answer from them as to the why they wanted to spend my shipping money to send them my burnt Dyna if they knew from the start that they were not going to replace it under warranty. We talked from the beginning about my low usage unit being out of warranty time wise, but I was led to believe that if I sent it in, they somehow might "take care" of it after they examine it. To my question later what scenario would result in them replacing my failed Dyna S under warranty, they could not come up with any...... than why waste my money and time!

Anyway, since there are so many failed Dyna ignitions out there, it may be a good idea to set up a way for people with burnt units to connect so they can repair their ignitions........ since most of the time it is just one of the pick-ups that fails. Owners who are wanting to repair their Dyna and as of now can't (Dyna will not sell you just one of the pick-ups) should be able to find other owners of Dyna who do not wish to repair theirs.......just need to match up the right pickup (cyl 1-4, or cyl 2-3)

I go first   available for the cost of shipping a "fresh" Dyna S ignition for the CB750 with failed 2-3 pick-up.

Probably should make a separate thread for that though.

--Nick

Have you still got it Nick? I'll take if for shipping and a few extra bucks to you for beer money. Cheers, Terry.

[Markcb750]

Seems like a waste, paying for shipping and beer to acquire spare parts on device that has been faultless for years...

Have you taken the unit to someone who could check how competently it was installed? 

Happy Festivous all

[Terry in Australia]

Seems like a waste, paying for shipping and beer to acquire spare parts on device that has been faultless for years...

Have you taken the unit to someone who could check how competently it was installed? 

Happy Festivous all

No mate, I've got one here that had one module ground off in a racing crash, so I can use his good module to make up one complete unit for another engine I'm building. I'll take yours too if you don't want it, I'll set the gaps properly, and it should be good to go! Cheers, Terry.

[Markcb750]

...sure, i believe ya.

As dependable as you claim I believe they would stand up to a simple "scuffing".

Perhaps if you look into the Kool Aid you carry for this dysfunctional company you will find a new unit and not have to scrounge for used parts..


Truth is: if they where any kind of decent company the least they should do is give you one for your inexplicable loyalty to poor customer service.   

[BobbyR]

I have read this thread. I recently had #2&3 drop out after either a spirited highway run or going up mountains. I did a Google search and found the problem to be reported on various other forums like this one. My Dyna unit is in the manufacture range where they give trouble.

I also saw a pattern of crappy response from Dyna on those forums. I started driving in 1966, and being of modest means and having a German Father, “if one man made it another man can fix it” mentality was forcefully inserted into my brain.”

I know all about points, and worked my High School days tuning up cars at a service garage. I was young enough and flexible enough to climb into the engine compartment and adjust or install them.  Ford in the front with no adjustment door. GM in the back with an adjustment door.

Points do fail and they failed a lot. Condenser goes they fuse together. Rubbing block wears the dwell goes out of whack. Rubbing block breaks they close and you are stuck. At high RPMs they floated and the motor breaks up.
I am at a point in my life I do not want to lay on the floor and #$%* with points.

I just bought a PAMCO after some email conversations with Pete. He seems to be the sort that stands behind his stuff.  I will take him at his word and I bought myself one for XMAS. I also bought new coils, wires  and caps.

I do not like points and I do not like companies that do not stand behind their product.

[Terry in Australia]

...sure, i believe ya.

As dependable as you claim I believe they would stand up to a simple "scuffing".

Perhaps if you look into the Kool Aid you carry for this dysfunctional company you will find a new unit and not have to scrounge for used parts..


Truth is: if they where any kind of decent company the least they should do is give you one for your inexplicable loyalty to poor customer service.   

Ha ha, I don't care if you believe me or not, your opinion holds no interest to me at all. The damaged Dyna wasn't "scuffed" as you asset, the module was torn right off the plate in a high speed crash, according to the member here who sent me the remains.

Regardless, after reading your bogus poll's posts it's pretty easy to see that while you have some unproved theories, you have little or no mechanical knowledge, and reading your often nasty replies to anyone here who's posted that they've had positive experiences with Dyna's, it's easy to see that your own personal social skills are so poor, that even the most congenial of customer service employees would eventually be offended by your bad attitude and sarcasm, as obviously happened with the staff at Dyna. (who I've only had positive experiences with)

Dyna tested your unit and found nothing wrong with it, so it's obvious that you just don't know what you're talking about. You've only resorted to using the OEM points ignition because you don't have the ability to install the Dyna correctly, so not only have you wasted your money through your own lack of mechanical ability, you've then gone off half cocked and made a fool of yourself on an international level. Good job................   

[Markcb750]

You don't care because you lack the ability to grasp reality; electronics fail, it is up to the people who sell you the stuff to be able to test it in real world situations, not imaginary crashes or against anecdotal references.   

Your dimwitted butt buddies at Dyna admitted they had no capability to test the unit at elevated temperatures...something you missed whilst lugging their sugary water...something they admitted to when they gave me my money back.

pay attention you won't read like such a kool aid drinker.

[Retro Rocket]

Some people never learn....

[Markcb750]

Indeed, it appears the part of our anatomy that faces the other side of the earth as we sit in our chairs, is what communicates across the planet's core.