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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2006, 10:34:47 PM »
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2006, 03:28:36 PM »
I think I heard right (not offa my misses) that seaman is acidic....can you imagine getting caught with
your tool in the gas tank, and trying to explain that you "just need half a gallon or so to de-rust the tank!" and "No, its NOT some sort of perversion to do with metal boxes,it's just a scientific experiment" Oh deary deary me.....hey if it made baby cb750's though, that would be worth it!
 
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2006, 03:43:52 PM »
ha. that'd be the LAST #$%*ING STRAW!
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2006, 06:11:36 PM »
I think I heard right (not offa my misses) that seaman is acidic....can you imagine getting caught with
your tool in the gas tank, and trying to explain that you "just need half a gallon or so to de-rust the tank!" and "No, its NOT some sort of perversion to do with metal boxes,it's just a scientific experiment" Oh deary deary me.....hey if it made baby cb750's though, that would be worth it!
 

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2006, 07:08:10 PM »
I sense this thread is straying..  :D
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2006, 07:48:02 PM »
The Boston Molasses Disaster (also known as the Great Molasses Flood or The Great Boston Molasses Tragedy) occurred on January 15, 1919, in the North End neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts. A large molasses (treacle) tank burst and a wave of molasses ran through the streets at an estimated 35 MPH (60 km/h), killing twenty-one and injuring 150 others. The event has entered local folklore, and residents claim that the area still sometimes smells of molasses.

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2006, 08:14:09 PM »
I think I heard right (not offa my misses) that seaman is acidic....can you imagine getting caught with
your tool in the gas tank, and trying to explain that you "just need half a gallon or so to de-rust the tank!" and "No, its NOT some sort of perversion to do with metal boxes,it's just a scientific experiment" Oh deary deary me.....hey if it made baby cb750's though, that would be worth it!
 

sorry to burst your bubble if that's an appropriate comment at this juncture..,   ;)   but semen is actually basic.... that's why it sometimes has an odor of clorox or soap.  it is basic in order to make it further through the acidity of the evil vagina and have a better chance of making it to the egg intact and still squirmy.
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2006, 08:45:19 PM »

sorry to burst your bubble if that's an appropriate comment at this juncture..,   ;)   but semen is actually basic.... that's why it sometimes has an odor of clorox or soap.  it is basic in order to make it further through the acidity of the evil vagina and have a better chance of making it to the egg intact and still squirmy.
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2006, 09:15:18 PM »
so much for your fantasy...

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2006, 10:15:23 AM »
The Boston Molasses Disaster (also known as the Great Molasses Flood or The Great Boston Molasses Tragedy) occurred on January 15, 1919, in the North End neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts. A large molasses (treacle) tank burst and a wave of molasses ran through the streets at an estimated 35 MPH (60 km/h), killing twenty-one and injuring 150 others. The event has entered local folklore, and residents claim that the area still sometimes smells of molasses.


Nonsense!

In a recently discovered hand colored lithograph, it can clearly be seen that the "The Great Molasses Flood" was actually in fact "The Great Easy Cheese Flood".  The lithograph was found in little known government repository (thanks to the Freedom of Information act) where it had been hidden from public view for nearly eighty seven years. This is only part of a much larger conspiracy between the government and the big convienence food industry to deceive the American consumer.

While the dates mentioned above for the "Great Molasses Flood" seem to be correct, the details of the "Easy Cheese Flood" are quite different and really believed to be as follows...

It is beleived that the accident was the result of the manufacturer's first attempt to package easy cheese in a gas pressurized "on demand" dispensing canister.

Company engineers had developed a method of packing and pressurizing in which a mixture of super heated gasoline, hydrogen and methane were combined to be used as the dispensing propellant. Due to technological limitations at the time in the field of miniturization, it was decided that the only pratical way to fill the canisters of easy cheese was to do all of them at once. While the engineer's technology and methods were promising, the company's bean counters threw an unexpected wrench in the works.

Unknown to the project engineers was a cost cutting effort which had been orchestrated by a sniveling, greasy, visor wearing, insignificant little worm of a man. Mr. J. Joshia Horowitz. It seems that in a effort to save a few dollars Mr. Horowitz demanded that the company's purchasing agents buy grade #2 lead seal material for use on the canister bases. The engineers had oringinally specified grade #10. A later engineering change to grade #8 was implemented because of troubles with tooling for grade #10 sealing material.

Why grade #2 you might ask, well because grade #8 was only available at the time at a cost of $0.011 per linear foot. Grade #2 on the other hand was possesed in large surplus quantities by the Federal government following the civil war and in an effort to rid themselves of the (quickly becoming considered toxic) material they offered it up in huge public auctions at the cost of $0.000000000001 per linear foot.

So, much to the engineers amazement, the bottoms blew out of the one-million easy cheese cans that were in production on that otherwise quiet Wednesday morning.

The easy cheese exploded through the sleepy North Boston neigborhood with a rate that even exceeded the speed of the pyroclastic flow at Pompei in 79 A.D. Recent research indicates that speeds may have reached in excess of 100 MPH. It is beleived that 1000's may have perished in the event. Many victims were found as if frozen in time. Some standings, running, blown over laying on their backs. The actual count may never be known as the local coroners were paid large sums of money and promised all the cheese they could eat to falsify the body count.

One piece of evidence which perhaps confirms the tragedy is the odd, eight pounds on average of weight over the national average, that people in the effected neighborhood seem to experience. Also considered odd is that the primary mode of transportation chosen by this same group of people is the Honda CB750 K8.

I hope this has brought some clarity to an otherwise confusing and often misunderstood event.

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2006, 03:09:28 PM »
There's an old family story about my grandfather "cutting the cheese" in Boston.  You don't suppose...
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2006, 03:25:02 PM »
Did somebody say 2 stroke oil?!?   ;D

I don't think they're listening Strokey, but you're dead right mate, my cuz had his own mollasses bath, and when he cleaned out a tank he'd swish a cup full of 2 stroke oil around inside before he filled it with gas, and it delayed the onset of surface rust.

Incidentally, it also worked well as a preservative for exhaust pipes when it came out the other end! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2006, 04:32:30 PM »
The Boston Molasses Disaster (also known as the Great Molasses Flood or The Great Boston Molasses Tragedy) occurred on January 15, 1919, in the North End neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts. A large molasses (treacle) tank burst and a wave of molasses ran through the streets at an estimated 35 MPH (60 km/h), killing twenty-one and injuring 150 others. The event has entered local folklore, and residents claim that the area still sometimes smells of molasses.


Nonsense!

In a recently discovered hand colored lithograph, it can clearly be seen that the "The Great Molasses Flood" was actually in fact "The Great Easy Cheese Flood".  The lithograph was found in little known government repository (thanks to the Freedom of Information act) where it had been hidden from public view for nearly eighty seven years. This is only part of a much larger conspiracy between the government and the big convienence food industry to deceive the American consumer.

While the dates mentioned above for the "Great Molasses Flood" seem to be correct, the details of the "Easy Cheese Flood" are quite different and really believed to be as follows...

It is beleived that the accident was the result of the manufacturer's first attempt to package easy cheese in a gas pressurized "on demand" dispensing canister.

Company engineers had developed a method of packing and pressurizing in which a mixture of super heated gasoline, hydrogen and methane were combined to be used as the dispensing propellant. Due to technological limitations at the time in the field of miniturization, it was decided that the only pratical way to fill the canisters of easy cheese was to do all of them at once. While the engineer's technology and methods were promising, the company's bean counters threw an unexpected wrench in the works.

Unknown to the project engineers was a cost cutting effort which had been orchestrated by a sniveling, greasy, visor wearing, insignificant little worm of a man. Mr. J. Joshia Horowitz. It seems that in a effort to save a few dollars Mr. Horowitz demanded that the company's purchasing agents buy grade #2 lead seal material for use on the canister bases. The engineers had oringinally specified grade #10. A later engineering change to grade #8 was implemented because of troubles with tooling for grade #10 sealing material.

Why grade #2 you might ask, well because grade #8 was only available at the time at a cost of $0.011 per linear foot. Grade #2 on the other hand was possesed in large surplus quantities by the Federal government following the civil war and in an effort to rid themselves of the (quickly becoming considered toxic) material they offered it up in huge public auctions at the cost of $0.000000000001 per linear foot.

So, much to the engineers amazement, the bottoms blew out of the one-million easy cheese cans that were in production on that otherwise quiet Wednesday morning.

The easy cheese exploded through the sleepy North Boston neigborhood with a rate that even exceeded the speed of the pyroclastic flow at Pompei in 79 A.D. Recent research indicates that speeds may have reached in excess of 100 MPH. It is beleived that 1000's may have perished in the event. Many victims were found as if frozen in time. Some standings, running, blown over laying on their backs. The actual count may never be known as the local coroners were paid large sums of money and promised all the cheese they could eat to falsify the body count.

One piece of evidence which perhaps confirms the tragedy is the odd, eight pounds on average of weight over the national average, that people in the effected neighborhood seem to experience. Also considered odd is that the primary mode of transportation chosen by this same group of people is the Honda CB750 K8.

I hope this has brought some clarity to an otherwise confusing and often misunderstood event.

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2006, 05:25:22 PM »
I'm not sure if any one would ever read this thread all the way through if they ever did a search for Molasses "in the Tech" Forum.

But here are the results/

 It's been 3-4 days and I used the 1-4 molasses mixture mentioned at the beginning of this thread. It sure seemed a lot easier and Eco friendly a way to get this job done. Out of the way commercial supplieres of really toxic chemicals was not a shopping trip I was looking forward to.

No photos, but imagine a clean shinny metallic shine ;D 

After I poured out the Molasses into the empty lot next door, I added some rocks from the driveway and my daughter shook it all around for a while. Rinsed and shook out the rocks and "Bob's Your Uncle".

I then rinsed again with Acetone. After pouring out the acetone, I filled the tank with Diesel. I will let it sit for a few days and then empty, and get the tank and the rest of the bits painted.

I'm no Hippy I assure you, but this seems to be the least expensive, easiest  to buy and Eco friendly  way to go ;D

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2006, 06:19:29 PM »
Seaweb, I am glad it worked out and i will try it on some other rusted parts. Seems a lot better than deaing with nasty acids and caustics.
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2006, 05:20:52 PM »
Did somebody say 2 stroke oil?!?   ;D

I don't think they're listening Strokey,

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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2006, 07:54:27 PM »
Seaweb, the results sound very promising. Thanks for keeping us updated with the results. Perhaps this will be one for Glenn to add to the FAQ?

(Sorry if I digressed from the theme of the thread earlier. Knowing the importance of easy cheese to this forum, I just couldn't let the truth be suppressed.)

(...and twostroke, don't worry you were not being ignored. It's just how do you really talk about something like 2 stroke oil? It sounds like something you would find in the back corner of an adult book shop.) ::)

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2006, 04:52:00 AM »
I started the thread and I just finished 3 tanks, my C70 Passport, CT90, and my CA77 305 Dream. They all came out good. The dream had some spots left in it after setting a week but it was still %1000 better than when it started.

I think for parts that have external rust I'd still just sand blast, but for tanks and such it works pretty well. The more research I've done has shown that molasses made from sugar beets is much better than sugar cane molasses. If you can find that it's best. Plus I did find a guy on the net selling a product made from sugar beets for this, it was called 'rust beeter'. I didn't buy any of his product as the plain old cane sugar molasses I was buying was working pretty well. But if you could find liquid beet sugar molasses, that would be best.

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2006, 05:57:32 AM »
This is from New Scientist "Lastword" column:

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I have a friend who uses molasses to clean rust off old iron items collected from the bush. The rusty iron article is placed in a jar of molasses solution (nine parts water, one part molasses) and left for two weeks. After this time, the article comes out clean and almost shiny. What is happening here?
 
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Molasses contains chelating agents. These are made of molecules that are shaped a bit like the claws of a crab--the word chelating comes directly from the Latin word chele, meaning claw. They can envelop metal atoms on the surface of an object, trapping them and removing them. Molasses owes its properties to cyclic hydroxamic acids which are powerful chelators of iron.

More of these compounds are found if the molasses is derived from sugar beet rather than cane sugar. The plants from which molasses is made presumably use these chelating agents to help them extract minerals from the soil. Interestingly, there are aerobic microorganisms that use similar cyclic hydroxamic acids to scavenge iron. So plants and microbes appear to use the same chelation strategy to obtain their daily ration of iron.

The same process is at work when you clean old coins with Vegemite or cola. The power of chelating agents also explains why the insides of tomato tins need to be lacquered. The citric acid in the tomatoes would dissolve the metal of the container if the lacquer were not present. Household cleaning agents, especially detergents and shampoos, also rely on chelation. These soften water to make it more effective during the cleaning process.

Chelation has its uses in medicine, too. EDTA or ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid is used as a chelating agent to control levels of calcium in the body and can reduce the effects of mercury or lead poisoning.
 
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2006, 07:00:00 AM »
well, for my thousandth post rather than contribute something meaningful about motorcycles mechanics or a helpful tip i will instead contribute this link to the "Diagram Awards" - given for the most unusual, amusing or incredible title of a book published in a given year.

http://www.writersservices.com/mag/m_diagram_prize_2004.htm   

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2006, 04:24:03 PM »
Well this seemed to good and tooooo easy so I poured in 3 boxes of Molasses in a 4-1 water ratio today on my CL350 project tank  http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=4489.30

I will respond back with my results/

seaweb.......you say boxes of molasses. Will the liquid molasses not work? I just went and bought 4 bottles  ::)

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2006, 05:35:50 PM »
Same crap different container.;D

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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2010, 06:32:49 PM »
I am going to be trying the molasses on a couple nasty exhausts. My tank is in an electrolysis dip right now (going on 36 hours).
My last tank I had used acid, worked great, stank up the shop, and as soon as I dumped it out the tanks rusted over. FLASH. I will never use hydro acid again. FYI  the stuff I used was for cleaning marble, a concentrate, potent stuff and yes it did etch.

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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2010, 06:46:30 PM »
Oooher, I'd forgotten about this thread, I've got a nice K1 tank on EBay at the moment that's a tad rusty inside, I might go buy some Moles-asses at a farm supply store and give it a drink! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: I tried the Molasses method for derusting a tank
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2010, 07:15:31 PM »
Has anyone tried to do the electrolysis IN the molasses solution? Two rust fighters at the same time? Why not? I will try.