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Um, wtf NH?
« on: October 08, 2010, 09:49:26 AM »
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A newborn baby was ripped from its mother?s arms by officials from the New Hampshire Division of Family Child Services accompanied by police last night after authorities cited the parents? association with the Oath Keepers organization as one of the primary reasons for the snatch, heralding a shocking new level of persecution where Americans? political beliefs are now being used by the state to kidnap children.

What was supposed to be one of the most joyous occasions of their lives turned into a nightmare for John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin, after they were told by The Director of Security and the Head Nurse at Concord Hospital that their baby would be taken to be checked by the hospital pediatrician.

?They lied to us ? they got us to allow them to take our daughter under false pretenses, we didn?t even have a choice,? said Irish.

When Irish tried to stop his daughter being taken, the baby was immediately wheeled out in a bassinet, after which Irish saw three men in suits accompanied by uniformed police officers as well as detectives and social workers. who proceeded to try to search Irish.

?They forced me to stand up, held my hands behind my back and patted me down,? said Irish, before police told him they were taking the baby.

?My fiancé didn?t even get any time to bond with the baby ? they came in and stole our child,? said Irish. The parents were given a couple of minutes with their daughter before being forced by police to leave the hospital. Irish was subsequently told that a ?security officer? would follow his every move.

The affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, ?The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers,? confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.

Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government?s war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced.

Lawsuit. Big one. Unless there's something left out here, completely illegal action by the state.
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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 11:59:43 AM »
I'm not all that surprised.  it will be interesting where this story goes from here though. 
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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 12:05:34 PM »
So much for live free, I guess they get to die now.
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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 12:12:34 PM »


Why can't I find this story at any reputable news sites? They all seem to be Gov't. conspiracy sites.   ??? ???
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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 12:45:52 PM »
If I lived in Concord New Hampshire and my kid was stolen by the state the I would be on the local news outlets like the proverbial flys on #$%* and I suspect they would run with it cause stolen kids sell advertising. Can you imagine how much a reporter wants a pic of this to lead his crappy local rag and subsequent AP coverage etc?

Zip in the ConcordMonitor - no mention anywhere else. This guy, assuming it did happen, is an asshat for trying to get his message out this way. Which pretty much means it didn't happen.

Just to be on the fun side. Why not give the New Hampshire Division of Child and Family Services a call yourself.






Hmmmm, Concord Hospital pleasantly sends me to a recorded message about privacy when inquiring about a recent live birth to John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin - and they mention the story but don't confirm or deny it - only that it's a story so I'm not the first to call

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Child and Family Services won't comment and refer me to their Child Abuse Hotline
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And the Concord Monitor would like me to leave a message and they'll get back to me
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If it's real - what a cluster#$%*. If it's fake then kudos to all these organizations for staying in front of the lie so effectively - which is, you know, sarcasm.

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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 09:04:57 AM »
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

"Protesters joined Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Janvrin of Northwood outside of Concord Hospital after New Hampshire DCYF took the couple's daughter into custody on Thursday, hours after she was born at Concord Hospital. Irish claims that the state acted because he is a member of the political group "The Oath Keepers." Court records show an ongoing investigation into charges that Irish abused Taylor and her two-year-old child."

"Taylor "has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby," the affidavit reads. "Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm."

More crap reporting. Who is "Taylor and her two-year-old child." Ex-Girlfriend? Another name for Stephanie Janvrin? Jeez. A high school paper editor could do better.

Edit: Got it.
"The issue turned the parents, Johnathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor" They #$%*ed up her name in the initial report. In fact it mentions both names on the same page referring to the same person.

Make of it what you will.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 09:15:39 AM by Iggy »

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 09:33:41 AM »
... and I suspect they would run with it cause stolen kids sell advertising.
Don't be too sure about that.  Advertisers want associative advertising.
People associate a product with something that ties to the baser instincts.
Would you want your consumer product associated with Gov stealing babies or with a lottery winner?

God I yearn for the days when I could actually trust something I read.
Yeah, me too.  The media has turned quite far from an information distribution device, to a mood and human manipulator device.  Happy people buy more consumer products.

Court records show an ongoing investigation into charges that Irish abused Taylor and her two-year-old child."

"Taylor "has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby," the affidavit reads. "Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm."

More crap reporting. Who is "Taylor and her two-year-old child." Ex-Girlfriend? Another name for Stephanie Janvrin? Jeez. A high school paper editor could do better.

In the US, people are assumed innocent until proven guilty, right?
Anybody remember how the Branch Davidians were labeled child abusers before the Gov swooped in and killed them all?

Saved us all a lengthy court trial.  OK people, go on about your business.  Nothing to concern yourself about here.

Lastly, the term "child abuse" has certainly been used in far wider description of behavior than say, 50 years ago.
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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2010, 09:50:50 AM »
No argument. It's unfortunate that they used the Oath Keepers in the affidavit and some of CPS is heavy handed and this is extreme BUT it didn't just pop out of the blue for these folks. There's some history and it looks like the Oath Keepers are a very small part of it.

Not the story as it was presented is my point.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 11:56:34 AM »


"God I yearn for the days when I could actually trust something I read."

I was in elementary school when I last took what I read as gospel.

Not even my service manuals are to be trusted to have correct at time of printing information.

Seems about the same amount of BS now as ever,  just many more 'BS outlets' than years ago.


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Re: Um, wtf NH?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 02:39:34 PM »
Yeah, I don't remember having the compulsion to hand verify information all that much ten years ago.

In an age when a story gets started from "somewhere" is then picked up by a major news outlet without verification and then is reupped/printed/whatever in sources I (used to) trust as double sourced news... it makes me sad. And cynical.

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 04:50:05 PM »
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