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Offline millerza

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« on: October 08, 2010, 12:36:01 PM »
Does anyone forsee problems powdercoating 78k carbs. Stripped down of coarse. O-rings removed. Will check valves be OK??  Im kinda worried about temps/between the brass and alum. Looking at 400degF, maybe 450degF for degassing. Anyone have any thoughts. Going with an aluminum color.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 12:42:32 PM »

On the PD42b you have a plastic part on the acc. pump check valve. I would be concerned with all the little holes :o

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 12:44:16 PM »
You're powder coating aluminum carbs in aluminum color?
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 12:47:48 PM »
yea the check valve is worrying me.
whats wrong with that color? dont have to worry bout tarnish

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 12:54:27 PM »
Can you polish and clearcoat them?  Wouldn't have to worry about temperatures and probably a lot cheaper.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2010, 01:07:48 PM »
Can you polish and clearcoat them?  Wouldn't have to worry about temperatures and probably a lot cheaper.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2010, 01:14:28 PM »
Potmetal bodies and baked on electrostatic powder, are a bad idea, too many precision orfices to get plugged up.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2010, 01:17:40 PM »
I could. But this is what I want. Id just as soon paint as I would polish and clear. This color is duller/darker than polished alum.  Im not wanting flashy(chrome) look, just tough coating with good looks.    I think the check valve is the only problem, and I can leave that part for paint or just polish. Ill have one carb done at a time, and check results.

Throat/orfices will be well covered/prepped. holes plugged. (The carbs will be assymbled when coated). Just no gaskets/parts inside. Fewer orfices to cover
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 01:19:34 PM »
Potmetal doesn't polish, unfortunately this is one spot on our beloved bikes that can't be prettied up, although you can chrom plate a few parts and make em look ok.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2010, 01:23:25 PM »
I  thought carbs were aluminum. What is potmetal?
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2010, 01:25:43 PM »
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2010, 01:26:41 PM »
There's a small nylon "nub" that guides the throttle valve and keeps it from rotating.  Don't know if that would like the temps either.  or is that what bollingball is talking about?

If you want dark aluminum, soaking them in simple green makes the carb bodies darker.  I'll try to get a picture of mine when I get home, maybe you'll like it.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2010, 01:27:55 PM »
What is potmetal?

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2010, 01:32:36 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal

Just read that  after asking. It still doesn't answer the question about the carbs being aluminum or not. I'm about to  use acid on my carb that  doesn't effect aluminum but will dissolve other metals. So, I'd hate to see my carb dissolve.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2010, 01:35:22 PM »
Just read that  after asking. It still doesn't answer the question about the carbs being aluminum or not. I'm about to  use acid on my carb that  doesn't effect aluminum but will dissolve other metals. So, I'd hate to see my carb dissolve.

I'm pretty sure they're aluminum.  He wants a different color and surface properties.  Would you want to test that acid on some rough part of the carb body anyway?
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2010, 01:54:18 PM »
Good point. Sorry, I'm so tired I can barely think straight.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2010, 02:03:07 PM »
I'd show them to my powder coat guy. If they're any good they'll tell you.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2010, 02:14:08 PM »
I'd show them to my powder coat guy. If they're any good they'll tell you.

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And I'm curious because I would like to Powder coat the carbs some other color, like Black.  If Powder coating is a bad idea, what about chroming?

No high temps, but obviously it would be in every orifice of the carb.

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2010, 02:26:23 PM »
No high temps, but obviously it would be in every orifice of the carb.
Not sure but don't electroplating processes stay out of holes unless there is an anode in it?
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2010, 02:29:52 PM »
No high temps, but obviously it would be in every orifice of the carb.
Not sure but don't electroplating processes stay out of holes unless there is an anode in it?


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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2010, 03:06:17 PM »
There's a small nylon "nub" that guides the throttle valve and keeps it from rotating.  Don't know if that would like the temps either.  or is that what bollingball is talking about?
not sure what youre talking about? slides are out of carbs

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2010, 03:16:38 PM »
not sure what youre talking about? slides are out of carbs

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Unless 78 carbs are significantly different than the early ones, if you look down the round bore in the top of the carb body where the throttle slide travels, on one side there will be a small plastic bit sticking out.  There's what looks like a rivet on the outside that holds it in place but you can see plastic in the center.  There should be a a slit down the throttle slide that this guide goes into.
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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2010, 04:18:16 PM »
One more suggestion would be find some one with a soda blaster and medium grit soda,  it makes them look new after they have been blasted, or buy one for a multitude of uses later down the road if you already have a compressor.

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2010, 09:35:00 PM »

so I dont see anything nylon in here

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Re: Any problems powdercoating carbs
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2010, 09:45:02 PM »

so there is plastic under this brass square?

is there a check valve here? any plastic?

fyi pic   the carb as i plan to coat it, before plugging holes and throat
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