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Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« on: October 11, 2010, 06:16:10 PM »
Here in Victoria we've had an almost 50% increase in motorcycle rider deaths this year. Interestingly enough, the main contributors to our road toll haven't been the expected 18-25 year old age group, but rather, the 50+ year old "born again biker" set.

A leading trauma surgeon has suggested that not just helmets (we've been forced to wear helmets since the late 1960's) but protective clothing (jackets, boots, gloves etc) should be made mandatory by law.

This has (in some cases) raised the hackles of some riders, and has also been rejected by our senior police officials. This morning as I was doing my weekly 200 mile drive to work and listening to AM radio, they asked for motorcyclists to call in to express their opinion.

They interviewed 5 riders including myself, and interestingly enough, we were all in the same age group, i.e., 50 and up. All but one of us agreed that protective clothing should be mandatory, my only stipulation was that riders should have a choice of what type they want to wear, for instance I wear a triumph mesh jacket in summer, it's got all the CE armour to protect me, but it's a hell of a lot more comfortable to wear in 100 deg F (+) temps that we get every summer here in Oz.

The riders were pretty representative of our age group, there were 2 Harley riders, 1 Ducati rider, 1 Kawasaki ZRX1200 rider, and myself. (interestingly enough, all big bikes) The only "dissident" in the group, one of the Harley riders, opposed the suggestion of mandatory protective clothing, argueing that if he wanted to, he should be allowed to ride nude. His point was that he paid his taxes (including mandatory personal injury insurance) so if he came to grief and was badly injured, he'd suffer the consequences alone, and no-one should be able to tell him what he can, or can't wear.

While I don't like that fact that once again, motorcyclist fatalities are the focus of the media and state government, (we already pay a special tax because we're more at risk than car drivers, for instance) I've seen the pics of people who've been horribly injured in crashes, who may well have been able to walk away with only minor injuries, if they were wearing good quality protective clothing.

I can sympathise with the Harley rider in that I don't want Victoria to become an even bigger "Nanny state" than it already is, where the government punishes the majority because of the reckless actions of a small minority, and I can't help but think that any further legislation will unfairly protect stupid people from Darwin's theory of evolution, but my underlying concern is that if the numbers of fatalities doesn't decrease, then in years to come, most of us will be legislated right out of our favorite past time. What do you guys think? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 06:19:46 PM »
Aw, crap...Here we go again...

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 06:24:37 PM »
Another reason for you to move to Arizona, Terry!
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 06:28:01 PM »
Another reason for you to move to Arizona, Terry!

Mate I'd love to, and I will, just as soon as I can find a ten gallon hat that will sit on my half-pint head! ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 06:32:26 PM »
Will this do?!?

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 06:42:35 PM »
Poop! I can't open the pic! :'(
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 06:44:06 PM »
Poop! I can't open the pic! :'(

It's a faaaaaaaaabulous hat.

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 06:45:57 PM »
Darwinism will not work here since they probably have already bred, so the genes are still loose in the population.  ;D

There was a report out of Michigan that came put with the same result. Those over 50 had fewer accidents but a higher mortality rate.  It appears we do not respond to injury as well. I know plenty of guys in there 50s that have had bypasses and other chronic illnesses.

In the US they can do pretty much what they want State by State when it comes to motor vehicles. Driving is a privilege and not a Constitutionally protected right. Unlike OZ and other Nations, laws can be enacted State by State. So NY or California with our misguided politicians could try to do that.

Am Radio? My God the horror of it all. I have Satellite I can drive Coast to Coast, into Canada, and probably Mexico and never change a channel.  

All kidding aside I have been looking into an armored jacket since it makes sense.

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 06:50:50 PM »
I love my armored jacket.  The longer I ride, the more paranoid I get.  Used to ride in Ohio with no helmet, torn jeans and a beater...moved back to PA where helmets are encouraged, but not required and slowly I found my self strapping on a bucket and wearing a jacket.  Then, one day, I decided that $400+ on a Joe Rocket was worth it.

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 07:46:10 PM »
I think that definitions and regulations would be the big problem with this.

The situation is difficult enough with helmets, where there are clearly-defined standards such as DOT and TÜV.  Some states incorporate these into their laws, others just require a helmet of some kind, and the debate is endless.

What standards exist for crash-testing of jackets, boots, and gloves?  Very few outside of the racing circles I imagine.  Also, can you imagine the outcry if you require people to buy thousands of dollars of body armor just to take a spin around town on their bike?

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »
At least here in the states, I feel like requiring effective helmets would be a more effective first step to take. The skid lids that a lot of people ride around with are a joke, DOT certified or not. The more coverage the better, as well.

That said, I think there are enough rules to deal with, and would rather see cops enforcing the traffic laws distracted and dangerous drivers are breaking than ticketing riders for not wearing their gear.

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2010, 07:58:59 PM »
Just stay indoors with the shades pulled and hope a meteor doesn't fall on you. Heck, I don't know. I race and wear full safety equipment above what is in the rules with a fire bottle, hans device and ballistic diaper under the engine. That said, I've been known to get on the bike with jeans, glasses, tennis shoes and a guitar on my back. I'm probably safer at 180 on the drag strip than 35 on main st. But I am a big boy and if I get messed up because of my choice it's my own fault. I even run with scissors in my hand and a toothpick in my mouth.
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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 10:01:06 PM »
The skid lids that a lot of people ride around with are a joke, DOT certified or not.

That one gets me all the time when I see people around here wearing them - specifically the ones that aren't DOT approved and offer pretty much no safety value at all.  Why bother?  There's no helmet law, and you're basically not wearing a helmet anyway.  Just ride with your dome bare like you obviously want to.

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2010, 10:27:51 PM »
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ride as you see fit     

ride as you know you will

do not kid yourself if you buy a helmet armor etc, make sure its comfortable and fits well.
and the reason i say this is because a buddy of mine  purchased a helmet and a jacket with spine protector and turns out
the helmet was not an exact fit and the jacket was a misprint (meaning it was to be destroyed  at the factory due to the spine protector down the back started centerd then slightly veered to the left as it went down i still laugh may ass off when i see him and its been years ago) he bought it on a traders site

also  it can be said " i do whatever i want whenever i want"

and i have said that too.   however as i get older i get to thinking more like, well  i am going to die, however  i want to see my kids happy on a cycle so i need to ride safe,

and safe for me is helmet gloves jacket and pants only time that is not the case is short rides around the block   there is my .02
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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2010, 10:32:37 PM »
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ride as you see fit     

ride as you know you will

do not kid yourself if you buy a helmet armor etc, make sure its comfortable and fits well.
and the reason i say this is because a buddy of mine  purchased a helmet and a jacket with spine protector and turns out
the helmet was not an exact fit and the jacket was a misprint (meaning it was to be destroyed  at the factory due to the spine protector down the back started centerd then slightly veered to the left as it went down i still laugh may ass off when i see him and its been years ago) he bought it on a traders site

also  it can be said " i do whatever i want whenever i want"

and i have said that too.   however as i get older i get to thinking more like, well  i am going to die, however  i want to see my kids happy on a cycle so i need to ride safe,

and safe for me is helmet gloves jacket and pants only time that is not the case is short rides around the block   there is my .02

Short rides around the block or the last couple of miles from home are the most common places to have an accident......wear protective gear ALL THE TIME.


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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2010, 11:01:45 PM »
I don't want state officials telling me what to wear period.  It's easy to see if you have a helmet on but how would it be enforceable?  I cringe whenever I see people riding around it shorts and tank tops and it's not something I would ever do but I have no intention of dressing up like a Star Wars storm trooper for a late night ride around the lakes.

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2010, 11:08:48 PM »
aww shucks  retro rocket  you big sweetie     

to further   detail  it    i live on a block and in between two one ways 


it is awesome  very  safe  i am blessed    i am twenty nine i am surrounded by seniors  and thats it   my whole block in the summer time is cocooned with laughter, my kid is busy playing with the neighbors kids its great stuff i should say neighbors grandkids    very quiet til i get drunk and start my bike at 2 am straight headers its great  thanks again rr


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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2010, 11:29:06 PM »
I have ridden without a helmet.  Still not sure what I was thinking?
Helmet makes perfect sense......... and so does heavy armour.   That said I don't like the idea of getting a ticket for not wearing elbow pads.

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2010, 11:39:28 PM »
eww yea   that           hum ............yea that would suck

i can see it now



excuse me sir,

yes officer,


do you know why i pulled you over,
no officer,

eh yea sir, is there a reason you decided to ride that death machine without elbow pads????

uh ayah uh uh  i guess i forgot to put them on sir,  but in my defense i do have on my Michelin man outfit with the six inch hardened foam all around me sir and sixteen independent outward projecting air bags that if,, if i get hit by a vehicle, will deploy

bouncing me farther than if you hit the boy in the bubble does that count sir???


no sorry it does not here is your ticket due in thirty days if you wish to contest the ticket you may call this number and i will bring my tape in showing that in fact you were not wearing any elbow pads.......cue the scary music


so that's how it plays out in my head  thanks for the visual seaweb  !!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2010, 12:42:05 AM »
Well, we're talking extremes here I guess, I wouldn't like to see anyone booked for not wearing elbow pads either, but I would like to see some of the dicks I see riding in shorts, singlets and flip flops get made to switch their bikes off and push them home, they're the one's giving us a bad name, even the one percenter's are smart enough to "leather up". ;)
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2010, 01:01:49 AM »
Well, we're talking extremes here I guess, I wouldn't like to see anyone booked for not wearing elbow pads either, but I would like to see some of the dicks I see riding in shorts, singlets and flip flops get made to switch their bikes off and push them home, they're the one's giving us a bad name, even the one percenter's are smart enough to "leather up". ;)



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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2010, 01:15:43 AM »
Here in Belgium you have to wear protective clothes all the time. I can understand that in other countries it can get hotter than here, but iff you don't wear protective clothes you'll get a fine and in case of an accident, you're insurance will not cover the costs iff you ride in t-shirt.
With protective clothing they mean:
a helmet ( approved)
a jacket ( should not be leather orso)
boots or good shoes
gloves

I have a motorshop myself and when I go for a testride, I got my helmet, jacket and boots on... In most off the cases the accident is not he fault off the motorcycle driver but someone else. When you don't have protective clothing on and a car hits you and you're injured for live and can't move youre legs anymore, what are you going to say then???

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Re: Should protective motorcycle clothing be made mandatory?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2010, 01:18:32 AM »
This winter I have switched from a Davita to a full face, bought some armour to fit under my leather jacket, leather pants and got some better gloves. But I"m very happy this was my decision and not some politicians. I am already told enough what I can and can't do. If we are not carefull we'll all end up wearing helmets and refective vests every time we walk to the store. This world is getting silly....

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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2010, 03:03:46 AM »
I always wear a jacket and lid, I tend to feel nekkid without them, just like when I drive with no seatbelt. In summer it's jeans, spring and autumn; leather pants. Winter.....I don't ride. But I know for sure if there wasn't a law enforcing the wearing of helmets, I'd be stupid enough to ride without.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2010, 04:08:28 AM »
I do not want the government telling me a damn thing.  After 23 years in the Justice dept.  i say stay away from me and I will stay away from you