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Offline zoo mob

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Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« on: October 11, 2010, 07:21:56 PM »
Swapped some later carbs onto my K0 and its running pretty damn good. I've not even bothered to sync them and have put on a good 500 miles w/o needing new plugs etc. As well as its running, its unfortunately losing a bunch of oil. I'd thought at first that it was from being overfilled, but changed out the oil, filled to the proper level and its still blowing it all over. Next thought was chain oiler, but the oil is all on the opposite side. It seems to be coming form the oil tank area, there is a little oiliness dripping down from the cap area, but the bulk is in the rear. Is there a vent that could be plugged that would make a mess like this?





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Re: Post K2 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 07:29:24 PM »
I can't open the pics mate, but I'll hazard a guess that the breather hose that runs from the back of your gearbox to the back of your oil tank has come off, or has a hole in it. Same thing happened to my K1 recently. Now, if you want to sell me your K0 carbs, let me know, I need a set for my '69! Cheers, Terry.  ;D
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 06:06:41 AM »
Hey Andy. Check Terry's suggestion first,sounds good and if that is all fit then check those 4 -  10mm head bolts that connect the oil lines on to the engine block.I have had 2 different bikes come in where one of those had been stripped and unable to tighten correctly and creatd an oil leak in that area. Usually though will puddle on the floor under them a little.  Eric

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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 07:48:59 PM »
Ok, so I finally got around to looking into this; the oil line from the rear of the trans was just going to the ground, that should go to the small fitting on the oil tank correct? Easily fixed, but I'm wondering, could that tube not being connected make the bike blow more oil from the hose that comes off the valve cover? That is where the oil seems to be coming from. Thanks.
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 08:10:22 PM »
Hi Zoo Mob, hope you fix that leak cuz  then you won't be getting my face shield all oily when I can't keep up with that KO...
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 08:42:16 PM »
Ok, so I finally got around to looking into this; the oil line from the rear of the trans was just going to the ground, that should go to the small fitting on the oil tank correct? Easily fixed, but I'm wondering, could that tube not being connected make the bike blow more oil from the hose that comes off the valve cover? That is where the oil seems to be coming from. Thanks.
Right, plugs to lower nipple on the tank. On to your question, not really so much. It takes a while to visualize where those tubes go to and come from. The one on the back of the trans is a bit of a breather, from the engine to theoutside. But that's not the primary purpose. That nipple on the back of the oiltank is part of a pipe that goes up the inside of the tank to the breather/condensor at the top.

So, it is really the feed for the chain oiler. Oil mist is condensed at the top of the tank, then drips down the internal pipe, into the rubber hose and into the transmission. If you've ever had a bottom end apart, you'd see that nipple on the back of the tranny enters the cases and terminates above a collection plate that dumps into the final drive shaft and ultimately oils the chain.

So back to your question, oil mist comes out the breather from the top of the engine at the cam cover. Excessive oil mist from that tube is most likely an indication of ring blowby, pressurizing the crankcase, pressurizing the cam chain tunnel, pressurizing the cam cover area and escaping at the hose on top.

Could also be valves but more likely rings.

Put some seafoam in before the next few oil changes to free up any sticky rings. Ride it till you re-ring it.
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 09:09:52 PM »
So where do I put the seafoam? And sorry for not understanding your response, but does the line from the trans in fact go to the oil tank?
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 09:21:38 PM »
So where do I put the seafoam? And sorry for not understanding your response, but does the line from the trans in fact go to the oil tank?
The Seafoam is an oil or fuel additive that frees up sticky rings, valves, cleans this or that. Additives are controversial, but do a search here on Seafoam and you'll find many of us have had good results.
http://www.seafoamsales.com/motor-treatment.html

yes the line from the transmission plugs into the lower nipple on the back side of the oil tank. The diameter of the hose is such that you can't make a mistake.  The mistake it to think that oil/mist flows from the engine to the tank thru this line. It flows (primarily) as i explained from the tank to the cases.
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 09:35:59 AM »
Here is what they should look like. Click to enlarge it...
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 07:09:11 PM »
Hmm, my tank looks a little different, the vent from the trans goes to a spot higher up on the oil tank in the same area as the larger vent tube.

Got stuff hooked back up and we'll see how it goes, I'm not too optimistic. It might be time to think about rings...
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 07:36:21 PM »
That is correct. This is my K4 when I had the battery box out. Just wanted to give you a look see. I should have mentioned it was the K4 not the KO.
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 09:17:16 PM »
Still wrestling with this, just changed the oil, added a little seafoam and went out on a 35 mile ride, I'm going to keep at it and report back.

Quick question; if I had an issue with rings or valves, wouldn't I be smoking on startup?
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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 02:48:41 AM »
if this started happening right after swapping out carbs, wouldn't you be looking for something that could have been disturbed during the swap?

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Re: Post K1 carbs make my K0 happy, but where is all this oil from?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 05:50:58 AM »
Try tying a pop bottle to the frame somewhere and put the head breather tube into that . You can monitor any oil coming down the tube without getting it all over your bike and the road .
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