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Offline TwoTired

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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 10:18:53 AM »
How about the question of should there be power to the main fuse with the ignition off?

The 76 CB550K wire diagram in the Honda Shop Manual clearly shows a red wire going directly to the fuse terminal.  Red wires route directly back to the battery POS terminal.  This would make it normal for one fuse terminal to be "hot" with the fuse removed, and both terminals would be "hot" with a good fuse installed.

If anyone is blindly tweaking the regulator, just to see the effect, almost certainly this will screw up the adjustment so it can't do it's job correctly.  At best, with an ill adjusted SOHC4 regulator, the system will keep the battery undercharged.  At worst, the battery will be damaged by overcharge during cruise conditions.
Despite its label, the device "regulates" only indirectly, and it's primary purpose is to keep the battery from being overcharged when the alternator is at peak output.  It does not serve to maintain a constant system voltage, as that voltage is whatever the battery's charge state happens to be at the moment, which can vary between 10 and 14.5V on a running bike with an SOHC4 regulator working at optimum function.

For damn sure, it is not to be adjusted while the alternator is idling.  Because at that speed the alternator cannot produce more power or voltage than the bike consumes.  The "voltage regulator" for the SOHC4 is more aptly labeled a voltage limiter, as the only thing it can do is command the alternator to "back off" when the battery reaches peak charge.  The battery will certainly lose any peak charge whenever the alternator turns at idle RPM, because it's peak output is reduced by 2/3rds, which is far less than what a standard bike consumes.
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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2020, 03:22:09 AM »
My 15A main blew. I replaced it and removed the fuse box side cover and started the bike.  The 15A main connector was very hot on left side (12V in).  I removed fuse, started bike and checked current (10 A).  I disconnected the fuse holder white Molex connector and removed the fuse box bolts (2).  Underneath the box the hot (12v) side  had been melted before and damaged.  I cut the 2 red wires to 15A fuse at box and solder inserted a blade fuse holder using  short leads attached to holder on the connector side wiring.  Started bike and all normal heat at fuse with current at 10A.  Tucked the holder along the bottom of box and all good to go.  This winter I will replace the other 2 fuses also?  I bought this bike new in 1978 and currently have 50K miles.  I installed electronic ignition, cleaned carbs twice and it looks and runs great still.  What a great design and quality motorcycle!

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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2020, 07:28:43 AM »
If you are in US just buy Hondamans fuse box direct replacement used blade fuses
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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2020, 07:32:52 AM »
Not to sound condescending, but why should the type of Fuse matter. I believe blade Fuses will still pop just the same as the glass fuse. Personally I changed everything on my bikes to blade fuses as well, but it doesn’t change the fact that 15 amp glass is the same as 15 amp blade.


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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2020, 07:35:31 AM »
My 15A main blew. I replaced it and removed the fuse box side cover and started the bike.  The 15A main connector was very hot on left side (12V in).  I removed fuse, started bike and checked current (10 A).  I disconnected the fuse holder white Molex connector and removed the fuse box bolts (2).  Underneath the box the hot (12v) side  had been melted before and damaged.  I cut the 2 red wires to 15A fuse at box and solder inserted a blade fuse holder using  short leads attached to holder on the connector side wiring.  Started bike and all normal heat at fuse with current at 10A.  Tucked the holder along the bottom of box and all good to go.  This winter I will replace the other 2 fuses also? I bought this bike new in 1978 and currently have 50K miles.  I installed electronic ignition, cleaned carbs twice and it looks and runs great still.  What a great design and quality motorcycle!

Now thats a great product review if I ever heard one!
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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2020, 07:36:57 AM »
If you’re going to change anything it sounds like you might want to get a new regulator rectifier. If you’re seeing burnt wires that’s more than likely the cause. Strange though because those things seem to hold up pretty well and if you were the Original owner, you know you didn’t mod anything. But things do go bad sometimes. Start checking for ground faults as well, if you have something shorting out the ground that’s going to blow your fuse, but it would also need to be within the main circuit for ignition power, your lights shouldn’t be affecting any of that.


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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2020, 09:31:34 AM »
The contacts for the glass fuse go weak and cause a high resistance which gives overheating and the fuse blows easier, blade fuses have better contact and are easier to get now
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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2020, 09:36:15 AM »
The contacts for the glass fuse go weak and cause a high resistance which gives overheating and the fuse blows easier, blade fuses have better contact and are easier to get now
Ok, I can dig it.  Doesn’t hurt to change to blade fuses, I also recommend that move. Although, I still think the problem lies elsewhere, Cheers!


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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2020, 09:41:16 AM »
My 15A main blew. I replaced it and removed the fuse box side cover and started the bike.  The 15A main connector was very hot on left side (12V in).  I removed fuse, started bike and checked current (10 A).  I disconnected the fuse holder white Molex connector and removed the fuse box bolts (2).  Underneath the box the hot (12v) side  had been melted before and damaged.  I cut the 2 red wires to 15A fuse at box and solder inserted a blade fuse holder using  short leads attached to holder on the connector side wiring.  Started bike and all normal heat at fuse with current at 10A.  Tucked the holder along the bottom of box and all good to go.  This winter I will replace the other 2 fuses also? I bought this bike new in 1978 and currently have 50K miles.  I installed electronic ignition, cleaned carbs twice and it looks and runs great still.  What a great design and quality motorcycle!

Now thats a great product review if I ever heard one!

Definitely !  ;)

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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2020, 03:48:02 AM »

Definitely !  ;)

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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2020, 10:07:35 AM »

Definitely !  ;)

Edit:Does anyone know if 'Two Tired' is still a member ?
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Re: Keep blowing main fuse, any ideas?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2020, 10:19:56 AM »
Search old threads about same models electrical issues where TwoTired has explained everything.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967