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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2010, 11:11:29 PM »
i dont know how it works in the us or uk but here in australia you might go and see a bike or car,like it,leave a deposit,sign a basic handwritten piece of paper,to go and return later with the rest of the dough,so in the early 90s i sold a dirt bike ,guy comes and deposits i forget either 50 or 100 bucks,ill be back this afternoon,never came back,so after a month i re advertised it and sold it,if he showed up after that i wouldnt have given his money back.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 11:40:27 PM »
Key is -- if your selling price is right then you have really no concern it will sell.
And when you have no concern that you're going to sell it, you open up the door to treat each person right, because -- you know someone's gonna buy it -- you priced it right.  No need to be fearful "if I don't sell it to the 1st person it may not sell."

When I sold a 500 a while back I posted the ad on CL and got tons of emails (I always sell a bit below market since if you have decided to sell it then sell it why mess around).

Do I put a phone # in the ad?  No way.  But since I look around at a lot of different areas on CL to get to know the market, I get lots of emails back as the price is reasonable.

Go down the list of emails in order, only fair.
You say to yourself "I'll let the 1st guy make an appt, then make another appt. at a different time for the 2nd guy" and I know I'm gonna sell it to someone on the list of responders, I set the price at a reasonable level.

So if the 1st guy doesn't show up or doesn't buy it I already have the next guy scheduled who made an appt. and so on down the list.  I always tell that 2nd guy "you're 2nd in line, it might sell, do you still want an appointment?"

Heck I know I'm gonna sell it I set the price right.
I just do 2 things to make it easy on me:

1) reasonable price to attract lots of interest
2) set appointments one at a time at least 45 minutes apart
3) if someone doesn't show they are done no 2nd chance

In the past 3 months I sold 2 bikes and both times sold to the 1st person who showed up.
Other thing I do is:  "Please call me when you initially get on the road to head over to my place."  If they're distant I tell them "and call me when you're about 20 minutes away."
So at least I know if they're on the way.

If you put your phone # in your ad, and you already told a guy to show up after he gets off work at 6pm that day, then a guy calls at 1pm that same day (because your phone # is in the ad and he just saw your ad) and he lives 5 minutes away and says "I have cash", then.......temptation.

So I never put my phone # in the ad.  So I can't be tempted to tell person A "I'll see you at 6pm" then have to tell him "You see what happened is a guy beat you to it, he called right out of the blue at 1 o'clock today, see.  Sorry."

A lot of these guys who screw you when they sell either know their price is too high so they have to sell to the 1st person, who knows if they can find another sucker -- or they are just outright don't care about folks and will screw anyone.

So do I leave myself open to no-shows?  Sure.  But I learned "don't worry about others, keep your own side of the street clean" as a way to deal with that.  I know it will sell, I set the price reasonable, if people want to do a no-show, that's on them -- and besides,  if they don't call me liked I told them to call, when they get on the road to come to my place -- I know in advance that I can move up the appointment of party #2.

And just to add, if you live in a not-too populated area, things are probably different since not so many people.  The above may not work for you.  I live on the west coast, tons of bikers here.
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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2010, 12:21:21 AM »
i think im a fair seller,i just sold a set of hard to get in this size these days 225x65x14 inch tyres,bridgstone re92,used,i put 30,000 kays on them,still have even tread 2 or 3 mm above the wear limit lug,100 bucks for the four,a guy rings so i dig them out,i spot a small screw and tell him that ill get a puncture plug and fix that one,he shows up,ive been flat out all day and couldnt get the plug,he tries to hand me 100 bucks i say make it 80 i didnt get the screw out and fixed,hes happy,im happy.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2010, 06:39:54 AM »
I don't see you getting burned. You lost a chance to make a bunch of money off someone who didn't know the value of what he has. I would call that ripping off the seller, someone with principles would call the dude and say his $200.00 bike is really worth a lot more.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2010, 06:50:53 AM »

Be on the lookout for a '59 CB92 in the Grand Rapids, MI area, it and the huge profit were it ever re-sold were mine.
 

I totally agree with Bodi,
Your pissed because you didn't get something for nothing
 Is it any less moral to take advantage of someone who doesn't know value.
  the double standard makes me sick

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »
someone with principles would call the dude and say his $200.00 bike is really worth a lot more.


If someone doesn't bother to take a few extra minutes to do a little on-line research before selling something they own, and they're happy with the price that they've decided to offer it for sale at,  there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying it at that price, and doing so is not indicative of a lack of principles because there is nothing dishonest going on in that transaction.

If I were to find out that someone had a bike that they didn't know was rare/valuable and had no plans on selling it, told them that it wasn't worth much and convinced them to sell it to me for cheap, then you're getting into dishonest territory.   


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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2010, 08:50:54 AM »
The suggestion that someone should not be pissed cuz they missed a low price deal, taking precedence over the seller BREAKING HIS WORD.. is ludicrous..
 and the root cause of what is wrong with peoples dealing online theses days..
 The old , its okay cuz I made up a reason bullsh1t.. self serving excuse crap..

 tomkimberly, thanks for explaining your take on business dealings with folks.. BUT, I dont wish to have any dealings with you.

 Some of us have old school business ethics, and assume a persons word means something..
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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2010, 10:33:37 AM »
Thankfully, my CL deal went down today without a hitch.  This thread got me paranoid. ;D

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2010, 05:00:39 PM »

Be on the lookout for a '59 CB92 in the Grand Rapids, MI area, it and the huge profit were it ever re-sold were mine.
 

I totally agree with Bodi,
Your pissed because you didn't get something for nothing
 Is it any less moral to take advantage of someone who doesn't know value.
  the double standard makes me sick

PJ

You have to be kidding mate.... Every time i am buying i am trying to get a deal and when i find a cheap bit of kit the last thing i am going to do is tell the seller its worth more. FFS its the sellers responsibility to know what he is selling NOT THE BUYERS TO INFORM THEM OTHERWISE. Good luck to anyone that scores a deal. PJ, open your eye's mate, we get ripped off at every turn these days so a bargain is a breath of fresh air......Double standards my arse....... ::)

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2010, 06:21:54 PM »
I can see what PJ is getting at - CL gets very annoying with people who just keep trying to low-ball you at every turn.

But, I'm with you - if someone prices something at a killer deal, I'm not going to talk them up.  Deal hunting makes the world go round.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2010, 05:28:22 PM »
tomkimberly, thanks for explaining your take on business dealings with folks.. BUT, I dont wish to have any dealings with you.

 Some of us have old school business ethics, and assume a persons word means something..

I'm sorry if I don't meet your high standards however here in Southern California, scammers out number the good guys 10 to 1. I hope it is different where you reside.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2010, 10:05:19 PM »

You have to be kidding mate.... Every time i am buying i am trying to get a deal and when i find a cheap bit of kit the last thing i am going to do is tell the seller its worth more. FFS its the sellers responsibility to know what he is selling NOT THE BUYERS TO INFORM THEM OTHERWISE. Good luck to anyone that scores a deal. PJ, open your eye's mate, we get ripped off at every turn these days so a bargain is a breath of fresh air......Double standards my arse....... ::)

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 A 'deal' is one thing but deliberately ripping people off is something else.
 I have paid way more than bikes are worth on several occasions, particularly when people are selling due to financial hardships. (I don't donate to organised charities  :D)
"we get ripped off at every turn these days so a bargain is a breath of fresh air"
That makes greed and stupidity OK then?
 I guess I just have higher moral standards
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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2010, 11:21:23 PM »
Crazy JP, were are NOT talking about any moral crusade here for christs sake, and if you are paying over inflated prices to greedy sellers then good for you. Judging someone because they got a good deal is stupid and short sighted and did it ever occur to you that some people just want to get rid of things and sell them cheap. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. I always look for a deal and very rarely pay a listed price on anything, bartering and dealing is not immoral and just because someone gets a good deal cheap doesn't mean he is ripping anyone off, thats just ridiculous and your claim that it is greedy and stupid is crap and really doesn't deserve rebuttal.
I see that Terry found 836 piston kits for $110 dollars so by your reconning he must be greedy and stupid, floored logic mate.....
You should try blaming your government for your peoples misfortune instead of people buying cheap bikes......


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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2010, 03:30:08 AM »
Crazy JP, were are NOT talking about any moral crusade here for christs sake, and if you are paying over inflated prices to greedy sellers then good for you. Judging someone because they got a good deal is stupid and short sighted and did it ever occur to you that some people just want to get rid of things and sell them cheap. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. I always look for a deal and very rarely pay a listed price on anything, bartering and dealing is not immoral and just because someone gets a good deal cheap doesn't mean he is ripping anyone off, thats just ridiculous and your claim that it is greedy and stupid is crap and really doesn't deserve rebuttal.
I see that Terry found 836 piston kits for $110 dollars so by your reconning he must be greedy and stupid, floored logic mate.....
You should try blaming your government for your peoples misfortune instead of people buying cheap bikes......


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+1

Unless you purposely deceived someone to get a good price or held a gun to their head, there is absolutely nothing wrong with getting a great deal on something, and using emotionally-charged words like "morality" or "principles" doesn't change that.   

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2010, 03:54:24 AM »
Greed is an ugly sin whether you are a buyer or a seller.  Maybe your anger would be better directed at things that really matter.

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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2010, 09:09:11 AM »
@tomkimberly; I see what you're saying, there's lots of flake buyers out there, just be clear with people when you talk to someone twice and have an agreed upon time to pick something up at an agreed upon price and then sell it to someone else, #$%* is shady no matter how your slice it.

I never say I will hold the bike as there are just too many flakes and no shows. 1st to show with cash gets the bike. I expect the same when I buy from others. Now I might make an exception if some way could be found to post a holding bond, say 50% of the price, otherwise why would the buyer have any incentive to actually show up?

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Because they want a $200 CB92???? :D

I know what you mean about not holding on to things though. I've told people I'd hold onto something for a day or so. Then they ignore my calls, call me back a week later, and get upset when I said I already sold it.  ::)

OP, sorry about your situation. That would have been a great deal on an awesome find but at least you didn't show up at his house only to have him tell you that he sold it already.
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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2010, 03:18:14 PM »
I'm pretty much over the whole deal at this point. Its pretty funny how much legs this thread has taken on though. Its also funny to me that some people are trying to spin this as me being the bad guy.

I missed a good deal and should have jumped on it earlier. Thought I had an agreement, clearly, I didn't. I won't make the same mistake again.

Anyways, got to go, I've got to go look for someone to rip off.
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Re: Worst shafting ever....1959 CB92
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2010, 04:15:59 PM »
Look under the red Folgers coffee container in my parking lot Tuesday night Andy-You can ripp-me-off anytime. Later Eric   (oil line guys  ;D )