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Offline muttblbc

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« on: January 07, 2008, 04:13:44 PM »
I just finished rebuilding the engine on a 75 cb400f, and im trying to put the cam shaft back in. in the manual the instructions and the diagram talk about aligning marks on the shaft with the engine but there are no marks on my camshaft. anybody have any ideas?
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Offline mattcb350f

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2008, 06:28:50 PM »
O.k, This is my understanding of how it's done...
There are no marks on the cam but rather marks on the cam sprocket. There should be two lines on the sprocket which align with the upper surface of the head. You set the crankshaft at "T" 1.4 at TDC on the #1 cylinder first, then install the gear on the chain with the marks parallel with the head. Then, slide the camshaft in "very carefully" through the cam sprocket and align it with the bolt holes and install the bolts. Now, here is where the cam can go either two ways; lobes up on #1 (Very bad and expensive if installed this way) or lobes down (the correct way) since the cam will only bolt onto the cam sprocket two ways at this point. This may take a few tries to get the timing correct, it's easy to be one tooth of on the chain so be sure to double check that the alignment is correct after she's bolted in and the chain tension is set. I usually go one further and roll it over a few times by hand if I have any doubts
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This pic below shows what I mean... Lobes in grey down:
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Offline muttblbc

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2008, 07:11:41 PM »
much appreciated! thanks!
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Offline aptech77

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2008, 07:38:10 PM »
Exactly....

Offline bcfellow

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 08:29:59 PM »
I've read the above and installed my camshaft as shown in the attached pics. My #1 cylinder (furthest on clutch lever side of bike) is at Top Dead Center and my timing is as shown in the pics. The diagram in this post is from a cB350 so the paranoid part of me wants to double check this before I button it up.

Soooooo, is the camshaft all good? Or am I looking at a face palm here?

Thanks.

Offline bcfellow

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 09:24:10 AM »
...Crap...the pics I posted show the crank before I rotated it 180....I'll try and get new pics

Offline Bodi

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2010, 05:35:07 PM »
It doesn't matter which way "up" the cam is, the sprocket marks should be aligned with the head and as long as the bolts go in it's right.
I don't think you can slide the cam though with the chain on the sprocket, you slide it through the chain and sprocket then set the sprocket on the reduced diameter area of the cam and work the chain on and finally slide the sprocket into place.

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 08:52:33 PM »
I appreciate the guidance. I finally pulled out the right pics before I closed the lid on her....

Offline jessezm

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 06:12:58 AM »
Bodi's right, here--I think you're causing yourself a bit more worry than you need to.  with the cam sprocket marks even with the head, and the timing mark at T 1,4, you're right where you need to be.  It doesn't matter if it's cylinder 1 or 4 that's at TDC, as the cam cannot in fact be 180 degrees out.  The only mistake I think you can make (I know because I did it!) is to set the cam 90 degrees out of whack, which you do by bolting it up when the timing mark is at T 2,3.  luckily, I figured this out before I did any damage by noticing that the valve clearances were all wrong and could not be set.

If you're at T 1,4 and the sprocket marks are aligned with the head, you're good to go.  Please be sure to torque the cam sprocket bolts to spec.  I used locktite on mine based on others' recommendations out of fear that they would back out and cause catastrophic damage...  If you do, just be careful to wipe away any excess, as it hardens and and becomes brittle, and you don't want those pieces pinging around in the heads.

Once you bolt on the cam sprocket, turn the crank 360 degrees and make sure that the marks on the sprocket are still aligned.  It's easy to be off one tooth.

when you put your cam cover back on, be sure to back the tappets all the way out and pull the rocker arms up out of the way (some use rubber bands for this), then torque the first 4 bolts under the breather cover down slowly and evenly.  This should prevent you from bending any valves while installing the valve cover.

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Re: cb400f
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 01:29:36 PM »
Thank you all for the great help and advice. It is appreciated :D