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I've settled on finding a 500/550-four for my project bike.  There seem to be a good number of them available.  I've picked up bits and pieces of the history of the bikes over the last couple of days.  I've read through hundreds and hundreds of articles, forum posts, auction descriptions, but I can't get a coherent picture in my mind of what was built when and what's best and what ain't.  I was wondering if someone could give sort of a narrative history of the bikes, concentrating on mechanical changes (I don't care what colors they came in during different years) and the most and least desirable years or models.  This would really be helpful for me and I'm sure it would be useful to others who are considering their first build of one of these bikes.  Thanks in advance,

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2010, 08:21:55 AM »
where are you from, 

and try this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB550
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2010, 08:38:15 AM »
The 500's were made from 71-73, only negative thing that has been discussed is the transmission.

http://www.sohc4.net/index.php?q=content/honda-cb5004-1971-1973

The 550 is a great bike. It's basicly the 500 with additional cc's [probably because of the Suzuki 550GT] and improved transmission. You'll read about lacking brakes, but unless you're racing or driving above speed limits, they are fine if working properly.
They were built 74-78, two models, K & F and the motor is the same on all. Carbs, exhaust, tanks, seats and other minor items vary between the models and years. The motor is powerful, smooth and pretty much bullet proof, perfect for what you have in mind.
Keep researching and good luck.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 09:03:46 AM »
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The 500's were made from 71-73
Correction: 500K2 [ED, F, G,] (different from US-models) was made till into 1976.
500K3 was manufactured till into 1978.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 09:07:24 AM »
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The 500's were made from 71-73
Correction: 500K2 [ED, F, G] was different from US-models and made until 1977.
500K3 was manufactured until 1978.

 I think for the sake of the American who is doing research to buy a bike, we will stick to US bikes that are most likely he will be looking at.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 09:12:54 AM »
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The 500's were made from 71-73
Correction: 500K2 [ED, F, G] was different from US-models and made until 1977.
500K3 was manufactured until 1978.

 I think for the sake of the American who is doing research to buy a bike, we will stick to US bikes that are most likely he will be looking at.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 09:22:03 AM »
i had a 78 and was more than happy with it i think the carbs were a good set up (no rubber parts to dry rot) not positive about the earlier years.... the only thing is i had a tough time with resto parts like seat pan and sidecovers... but when running properly it was a bullet.. pretty decent zip to it
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2010, 09:26:32 AM »
On the early 550's, watch out for rocker shaft wear.  Do a search on this site if you run across an engine before '74 or '75.  I transplanted forks, rotor & caliper from a CB750 onto my 550.  Much happier with the braking power now.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 10:16:05 AM »
I had a pure stock 1976 CB550 back in the late 70's and I loved it. Good handling for its day and time and pretty quick. A friend had a 66 Dodge Charger with a 383. I could smoke him up until I started reaching top speed at around 110 or so and than he would catch up and pass me. Those were the days, young and not so smart and thought you would live forever.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2010, 12:27:56 PM »
Well, it looks like there really weren't any major technical changes, other than the increase in displacement for the 550 bikes, to be concerned about.  That gives me the impression that its more important that I find a good example of any year bike than as good as I could find of a specific year.

I might have gone farther in my requirements, and maybe this is a good place to do so.  This won't be my first Honda, that was a 750 that I bought new in the summer of 1970.  I owned a couple of more of them during the 1970's but the last 4-cylinder bike I owned was a KZ-1000 that I had sometime around 1980.  As I've mentioned elsewhere, my current ride is a 2002 Harley Softail Deuce; my wife of over 35 years rides a Sportster.  We are not new to motorcycles, or in fact to motorcycle building either.  I had a bike I built, one of if not the first 750-4(s) ever in the Rat's Hole custom show at Daytona in March of 1971.  These past few years, in retirement, I've been painting bikes as a sideline, so I keep my hand in to some extent.

What I want plain and simple is a bike I can ride up into the mountains and just wail on.  I want something light and nimble, but it does not have to be fast.  The roads we take for granted around here rival some of the better known rides (like the Dragon) in the country.  So I really don't need some sort of monster top end either.  So I'm thinking that really wonderful wide torque band and smoothness of a 4-cylinder 4-stroke geared to let it pull like a mule between about 30 and 70 mph in the gears will be just the ticket.  I do not want either the weight or the power of a 750; as they say, been there, done that.

I also want to build in the Cafe style, and I may take that to a bit of an extreme, incorporating some of the tricks of the show builder, but with every major consideration given to handling.  Oh, and there is this other thing too - and it might sound arrogant, but its not meant to be.  Money is not much of a problem.  The way I look at it is this, I could go out and pay three grand and buy all the bike I want - E-bay is just teeming with the things, and when I decided to do this I first made sure that I had that much money available - which I do.  So from there if I do it myself its got to cost less, right?  So if I start with a reasonable priced project bike and then it cost me a hundred here or a couple of hundred there for a good solid rebuild and some nice exotic parts, well I should be able to do it and still stay well within my budget.  And I've got to tell you, compared to just sprucing up a pair of Harleys three grand is not such a bid deal.  I've got my big bike paid off and done all the personalization of it I intend to do so it on to some new fun.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 09:21:35 AM »
"Well, it looks like there really weren't any major technical changes, other than the increase in displacement for the 550 bikes, to be concerned about. "

Only if you enjoy working on transmissions! On the 500K it's common to have problems and need work. It was mentioned in a previous post. Also I saw you thread on "making" a 550 out of a 500. Why bother? Just buy a 550 and be done with all the extra work. Personally I think the 74 - 76 were the better looking. The 77 - 78s are pretty common and you see a lot more for sale. Good luck.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 10:56:27 AM »
 So I really don't need some sort of monster top end either.  So I'm thinking that really wonderful wide torque band and smoothness of a 4-cylinder 4-stroke geared to let it pull like a mule between about 30 and 70 mph in the gears will be just the ticket.

I can't see how you'll be happy with a 550.  While the engine is certainly smooth, you need to work the left foot to get torque, meaning it must be in the upper RPM band before throttle twist has much authority.  The Harleys are all about throttle twist, in whatever gear you are in.  The 550s need to be above 5000 RPM to get throttle twist thrill.  If you are in the twisties you want to be above 5000 when 2/3 into the turn so you can accelerate out.  To scoot you need to work than downshift routine.  It is only going to haul ass when the red line is teased.

If you cafe it, that usually means exhaust changes and loud, scaring deer into your path and polluting the quiet countryside particularly if you keep the R's up to be in the power band.
The 550 ain't no torque motor.  It's a horsepower motor and to get that horsepower, it needs to rev.  And that means a lot of action with the left foot.

The 550 is totally wonderful in the turns as it handles superbly neutral in the stock set up.  Much of that handling is destroyed by wide tires and other changes that occur along with gaining that "cafe look".

It is quite rare that a "race thoroughbred" is also a well mannered street machine.  Race machines expect the operator to "work" them. IMO

If you are buying a bike to mod the crap out of.  Please stay away from destroying pristine stockers.  The basic bits you need to build a custom "whatever" are all present in a derelict/ignored example.  This way, you are adding to the bike pool rather than subtracting a well kept example from the total population.  (also IMO)

For trans and clutch reliability, stay away from the US model 500s. 
The front forks were improved for the 74 CB550 and later.
If you want to avoid rocker shaft elongation wear, stick with the 77-78 models F or K.
If you are going to keep the stock air box, the 77-78 K couplers are quite difficult to replace.
The PD style carbs found on the 77-78K models, allow finer pilot circuit adjustments and are more precisely tuned/set up for,  the stock exhaust and intake system.  Some find the changes in internal carb set up to be more difficult with the PD carbs than the "sloppier" earlier style carbs (which, oddly, can also be found on the 77 CB550 F model.)  Any induction system changes will require internal carb set up changes to both carb styles.  And, if you change the exhaust on a PD carb equipped bike, be prepared for carb set changes for that, too.

That's all, off the top of my head.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 04:11:20 PM »
The 500/550 PDF manual here has a chapter outlining the differences.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 04:33:01 PM »
The 500/550 PDF manual here has a chapter outlining the differences.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 04:42:55 PM »
I had a pure stock 1976 CB550 back in the late 70's and I loved it. Good handling for its day and time and pretty quick. A friend had a 66 Dodge Charger with a 383. I could smoke him up until I started reaching top speed at around 110 or so and than he would catch up and pass me. Those were the days, young and not so smart and thought you would live forever.
Very good bike, wish I had held on to it :(

Had to jump in here.....I was just like you dhall57... including racing a hot Dodge a buddy of mine had.....same results.

Only difference is I stuck my 550 in the basement after 8000 miles.

Yep......i broke it out a couple of years ago and am having a blast riding it again.

A good bit slower now mind ya.....but still a very sound bike.




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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 04:52:43 PM »
Well, the guy with the '74 got back to me - partially - and I may go see the bike tomorrow - or maybe not.  I told him that just from looking at the pictures I that if I were to make an offer for the bike it would be less than his asking price.  I figured I should be honest with the guy and maybe save him some time and me a drive up to Pittsburgh.  Haven't heard back from him again.  We'll see.

As to other issues - I really don't give a tinker's dam about the deer, they are nothing but a royal pain and if I could run every one of them into the next county it would suite me just fine.  Out in this part of the country people live in pockets, you don't just have rambling farms, the topography doesn't lend itself to that.  So there are places where the twisties just go on for miles and miles with no other people at all, no traffic, no police, no homes, no farms, no nothing but you and the hills and the turns.  As good luck would have it there is a circuit that I ride often from my home that totals right at 75 miles, but the good part is that over half of it is that sort of road.  That's about my limit sitting on three quarter inches of foam.  For me this is all about fun, not about pain.

I know how to shift gears.  The Harley's are one thing, other bikes are other things.  I have a great deal of experience with many types of motorcycles, over half a century (got both my first license and motorcycle in 1959) and hundreds of thousands of miles.  I think I can cope with keeping a stock 4-banger in its mile-wide power band.  But thanks for the advice   ;D

Anyway, if I got this right as a 74 the one I'll be looking at tomorrow may have that cam problem, it should have some sort of improved front end, and it will have a better transmission than a 500.  I should check for a broken case (I had that happen to a 1970 750 that I bought new, I am sensitive to it) around the sprocket, everything else is standard used bike stuff.  Sound about right?

Thanks for the hints - that is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 05:05:20 PM »
The 550's weren't prone to breaking chains and wadding up next to the case.
However, some people put on 530 O ring chains which WILL gouge the case and wear into a shaft seal.  Leak city.

You totally missed the point about the deer.  Loud noises make them jump in any direction including directly into your path.  I was trying to help keep you safer.

But, I get the definite impression you don't really care about anyone else but yourself while riding.  (Which does fit the Harley owner mold in my experience.)

Good luck with pleasing yourself!  ;D
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2010, 05:56:43 AM »
"But, I get the definite impression you don't really care about anyone else but yourself while riding."

You got that right, and it doesn't have a thing in the world to do with the Harley's either.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 08:34:28 AM »
Man, it kills me to agree with TT, but I am into Honda bikes because you meet the nicest people on them, as the ad says.  Not so much with Harleys and sport bikes.

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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2010, 10:29:19 AM »
"Haven't heard back from him again."

And you probably won't! Like most of us here we put a lot of our heart and souls into our bikes to make them what ever they end up. It's a personal thing and you insulted the guy and not even to his face, you mailed it in. If someone is asking way more than what you think the bike is worth then pass on it. If it's a little more, then go see it first before low-balling him. If he likes you and realizes his bike may go to someone who will care for it like he did he may let it go for less, a lot less if he hasn't got any other offers.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2010, 12:57:06 PM »
Look at it this way: a 500 (or 550) offers you two bikes in one. Below 6000 rpm it's a modest, docile and well mannered bike: a child can ride it. Over 6000 rpm you'll discover a very sporty bike and you can let it howl like a beast. Personally I prefer such a bike over low rpm torque bikes.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2010, 06:56:28 PM »
"Haven't heard back from him again."

And you probably won't! Like most of us here we put a lot of our heart and souls into our bikes to make them what ever they end up. It's a personal thing and you insulted the guy and not even to his face, you mailed it in. If someone is asking way more than what you think the bike is worth then pass on it. If it's a little more, then go see it first before low-balling him. If he likes you and realizes his bike may go to someone who will care for it like he did he may let it go for less, a lot less if he hasn't got any other offers.

If I'm selling something on CL and some guy emails me a lowball offer without even coming to look at it, I ignore them.

It was even worse in person than the clear problems I could see in the picture.  This wasn't lowballing anyone, it was noticing that the bike had rust and some sort of foam socks over the carbs along with missing covers.  What I was doing was saying that I was going to have to drive 300 miles and I could see right off the bat that he didn't have a bike worth what he was asking - let's not quibble about that.  As it turns out I just got home after making that 300 mile drive ($45 worth of diesel fuel in the truck and a half a day of my time) and came home with no bike.  I did, after giving the bike careful scrutiny, offer the guy $350 for it - and I thought that was generous.  He wasted my time and money with an overblown description and some mindless notion of the value of his personal hunk of junk. 

The search continues.  I'll pay a fair price for a good bike, but I won't jerk anyone around in my search and I don't appreciate it when people jerk me around with junk bikes being advertised as pure peaches.  It pisses me off and cost me money.  And if that makes my some sort of un-honda-ish brute, so be it.
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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 07:13:00 PM »
Hey Kong

Tell it like it is.  Each bike has it's own quirks, powerbands, admirers & detractors etc.  Crap is crap & guys who misrepresent their bikes for sale are the same.  You know what you're taking about, find a decent 500/550 & enjoy the experience in whatever gear you choose.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 08:00:54 PM »
Kong - I had a similar situation when I was looking for my 550. The ad made the bike out to some great custom example. Once I got there, it was a piece of crap! The guy wouldn't even try to start it for me, told me to try, and I couldn't get it to crank. And he was asking $1500! I just walked away and told him good luck. I continued to see the bike listed for quite awhile.

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Re: Can someone give me a sort of running history on the 500/550 bikes?
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2010, 06:56:12 AM »
ive been finding 550's for between $250 and $600 running.  In fact ive found 3.  fixed one up, parted one out and bought and sold the other in 1 day.    Great bikes to get started on.  im in the indy area.  KingCustom is north of me so he hogs all the 750's LOL

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