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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #750 on: December 14, 2015, 08:38:49 AM »
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #751 on: December 16, 2015, 07:34:35 AM »
The Petersen Museum sent me a bunch of photos of their displays. Not just the bikes but everything. Pretty amazing. This one is my favorite of #97.
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #752 on: December 17, 2015, 06:33:03 AM »
That is beautiful. I remember what it looked like in the beginning. Quite a feat.

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #753 on: December 17, 2015, 09:46:29 AM »
Mark,

   Admittedly I shook my head more than once at your insistent attention to detail on what I consider trivial things.  After all lots of these things are usually covered up anyway and no one would be the wiser except for you while tooling down the road.  However I get it.  This is a special bike and who knows, maybe I would've done the same thing were it mine...on second thought probably not LOL.  Kudos to your determination getting this done.
  By the way, how did the Peterson get wind of your bike anyway?
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #754 on: December 17, 2015, 02:24:38 PM »
Thanks guys.
One of the curators saw one of my threads, either this thread or probably the similar one on the SOOC site (I can't remember) and contacted me. There are plenty of worthy bikes around so I feel lucky to have even been considered.
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #755 on: December 17, 2015, 04:55:35 PM »
I just dropped by for some Christmas inspiration, and danged if I didn't get it here!
Great job, Mark! It reminds me of the sandcast I didn't get in 1969, because the shop owner sold it (when it came in, was supposed to be for me...) to his brother-in-law instead. It was a red one. But, now I feel better, knowing his sure doesn't look like yours!
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #757 on: December 21, 2015, 04:12:42 PM »
thanks for posting the Cycle World link

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #758 on: December 21, 2015, 04:13:50 PM »
thanks for posting the Cycle World link

You bet.  It has a great gallery of photos of bikes in the museum. 
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #759 on: December 23, 2015, 11:01:38 PM »
I have read this thread from start to finish, and all I can say is that the attention to detail, patience and skill level is reflected in the astonishing outcome, you should be very proud. Amazing stuff!

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #760 on: May 27, 2016, 11:58:32 AM »
All I can say is wow. The amount of knowledge, patients, talent and attention to detail is mind boggling. I just ran across your thread last week. Great job. I wish you were my neighbor. LOL  I brought my Dad's cb750 home from Iowa last summer(#424).
It has sat for over 30 years and the motor is stuck. I am still trying to decide if I want to tackle the motor myself or take to someone. But if I do, this thread will inspire and help me through it.
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #761 on: May 31, 2016, 07:04:26 AM »
Looks like a project but that's a good number. Good luck!
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #762 on: June 05, 2016, 03:31:48 PM »
BEAUTIFUL - I have to commend you on your attention to not only detail -but also originality & authenticity.

The TIRES blew me away. GORGEOUS. If I had one of these things at home, good GAWD man - throw the Bube-Toob out the damn window, SCTV style - Kick the woman to the curb - I wouldn't need anything else to look at.

Never mind whether it's in my possession, heck if I even simply had ACCESS to such a bike - Even if there were no PRIVACY, wtf man, I could literally cuddle up with a bike that beautiful, fondle it all over with my fingertips, I'd want to stretch out over top of it naked, so I could FEEL as much of the bike at one time as I could. Well if nothing else I'd be up on top of it going through the motions, testing out all of the standard positions - YOU know 'em, the lean off the side of the bike to throw one's body weight further to the side off-setting the lesser lean angle inherent to the "skinny" rims & tires - or the tuck & crouch, or imagining one's self balanced up over the top yoke feet swiveled forward on the pegs, rolling out that extended cat-walk wheelie - then how to brace one's self against the bars while popping and "endo" stoppie. The net effect as this rowing-machine type cross-trainer calisthenics would look like an enormous exaggerated slow-motion humping or grinding & wiping one's butt all over the seat. One had better hope nobody ever got their hands on the "tapes" from any nearby closed-caption monitoring or surveillance cameras, Speed that #$%* up, it's gonna go VIRAL VIDEO - you're gonna be the new Meme Of The Week! No question about one thing though, is that I'd probably even wanna lick the Candy-Paint - just to verify that it DOESN'T taste like actual candy! I mean, seriously though. Ha-ha. This is the most essential top-coat layer to protect paint like that - not U.V. resistance but rather, some of that bitter orange nail-polish they used to give to kids to stop 'em from chewing their nails off. (Maybe turning off the Cold-War era news reports would've had a greater effect?)

No question, if I found my way to the Honda Collection Hall, the museum docents would take one look at me, that look in my eyes, and they'd follow me around very closely. Un-snap the holsters on their Walkie-Talkies. "Come In, Soichiro! We've got ANOTHER one...."

You  get my POINT though: That this bike is so beautiful, well - If it were any more beautiful I'd have to be restrained from doing something truly obscene with it! Better be careful to check that there aren't any "SNUFF-R-NOT" flappers in the mufflers, that could give you one nasty pinch. Ha-ha.

Okay so that might be a really bad metaphor to some of you. (While others get where I'm coming from.) Some might say I'm taking it a bit too far. (Others, not far enough!) But it's just THAT attractive! OR, well ... maybe I've been staring at and downloading these Sand-Cast pictures a bit too much for a bit too long! Did I mention that I had my first ride on a Sand-Cast during my "Formative Years"? Maybe it twisted something up in my head, maybe a father's supposed to give a kid a dirty magazine at that age, rather than turn the kid on to hot classic motorcycles??? What would I know? How would I know any different? Is this NORMAL??? Ha-ha.

No - Okay so maybe that's extending the metaphor a little too far. How to put it better? Hmmm.....

I'd like to cut the whole bike apart and EAT it. I picture it slicing up and having crumbly orange carrot-cake under the surface, cream-cheese icing under the chrome, and pure syrup hard-candy lacquered all over the bodywork. Lemon-Orange Butterscotch, Cherry-Strawberry, or Blueberry. Mmmmm....

OKAY OKAY. But did I mention that the TIRES are Black Licorice?

Well enough of that - But truly, the tires ARE some of the juiciest bike-porn details on a good restoration like this. It's an area most lacking in the street-racer & competition-spec vintage-bike porn and especially as relates to the CB750's.

I wish to heck they made these tires you used, in a size like 110/80-18 front with 140/70-18 rear, or 130/70-16 & 160/60-18 for that matter. For my two "retro-fried" DOHC-4 projects, the first set for a featherweight 750 hopefully dustbin and the 2nd set for the "CB900K0 Bol Bomber" ('82 CB900F Bol D'Or based homage to the '65 CB450K0 Black Bomber) These are wire-spoke alloy rims in both cases, using Borrani, Super-Akront, Super-Akront, & Akront rims respectively. So of course after going to the trouble of sourcing all of these old's-cool, retro-fried, vintage go-fast, "re-invent the wheel", boutique catalogue type of wheel parts, it only makes sense to wrap 'em up in some equally beautiful PERIOD CORRECT TIRES! Argh. Guess I've been too greedy with the odd-ball sizes. Truly though, with the popularity of vintage & retro-fried bikes these days? WTF people, we need something to bridge the gap between the huge BALLOON type Firestone tires/tyres from the likes of COKER, and the Michelin Pilot Classics which were fitted to the first generation Ducati Sport Classics, Paul Smart Replica, etc. Cheeses me off, in that those Duck Sport-Classic tires actually CAME in the 110/80ZR18 & 160/60ZR18 sizes. But I took too long and then lost the whole project to a house-fire, finally get back on track took too long again, and yeah ALL of that stuff has not only been discontinued it's been past their date of expiry for some time now. ARGH.

Honestly though - why don't we all put together a "plebiscite" of some sort, expressing how we're all interested in period-correct aesthetics for our tires - and then send a version of it out to each and every tire manufacturer, the writing of which being tailored to twist their #$%*ing arms - We should put it across ALL of the vintage bike forums 'F-orums and Four-ums, the different classic Honda models from SOHCs to DOHCs to 'Wings & CX's Hawks & SuperHawks etc etc - plus the other "Big Four" marques and classic DUCK & Brit-Bike sites - Get together enough signatures of those expressing an interest in an accurate replica of a given tire. You'd think that maybe BRIDGESTONE might be interested in a SOHC-4 original tire replica with some carry-over market share for the bigger sizes etc. I don't just mean for street-bike restorations however, I'm talking about wider sizes for the racers as well!

I want to put together a list like that of folks expressing an interest in the Akront "NERVI" rims, so we can all rebuild our COMSTAR rims to some decent RCB/RS1000 specs or better - Such that the Comstar wheels could have the same flexibility as a wire-spoke wheel does. We need to put the motion forward to the MORAD rim company, ask 'em nicely whether they could bring the old tooling out of moth-balls. Whip us up at least one batch of rolled extruded Aluminum in each of the given profiles for best rim widths on these particular bikes - I'm thinking 3.50x18" for a good start - But maybe the profiles/widths are the big deal, and rolling 'em into HOOPS isn't the difficult part. THAT way, each profile might make for several sizes - that way the Ducati F1 Montjuich/SantaMonica/LagunaSeca owners could get some new 16" hoops on their MARVIC  hubs/cores.  A good way to garner support from the other marques, if we cater to THEIR common interests.

But either way on wire-spoke OR Comstar rims - It ain't got that proper vintage aesthetic if it ain't got them TIRES!

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #763 on: January 02, 2017, 11:40:51 AM »
I was checking out this thread, http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,162483.0.html and ended up discovering something surprising (at least it surprised me).

Back when I was working on E100 I decided not to use the original cylinders. They had been bored to 1mm oversize and had a broken fin. I compared them to E1789 and found them to be identical. The engine wasn’t going to be completely original anyway so I decided to use the E1789 cylinders. At least it would be correct.

Since I was using the E1789 cylinders I decided to use the matching head. It was in better condition than E100 and I found them to be identical too. So here comes the surprise. While looking at towers I happened to look at the E100 head (I saved it of course). Here’s pics.


Can you spot anything unusual?


Ding, ding, ding, ding. It is missing the outside spot faced holes that are under the towers! I can’t believe I didn’t catch that. According to the CB750-K2 parts manual only two of the small o-rings were required up to engine number 563. I know I had seen that before but I didn’t know why. Now it’s plenty obvious.

The last thing I want to do is pull out E100. But you all probably know me by now and know that I can’t let this go. When I get 97 back the engine’s coming out. I’ll probably re-sleeve and repair the fin and use the cylinders too. It’s still at the Petersen until February 28 so I have plenty of time to get them both ready.
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #764 on: January 02, 2017, 06:26:50 PM »
that must be why a lot of diagrams in manuals show only 2 o rings,using a very early pic.bill
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #765 on: January 02, 2017, 07:33:36 PM »
I was checking out this thread, http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,162483.0.html and ended up discovering something surprising (at least it surprised me).

Back when I was working on E100 I decided not to use the original cylinders. They had been bored to 1mm oversize and had a broken fin. I compared them to E1789 and found them to be identical. The engine wasn’t going to be completely original anyway so I decided to use the E1789 cylinders. At least it would be correct.

Since I was using the E1789 cylinders I decided to use the matching head. It was in better condition than E100 and I found them to be identical too. So here comes the surprise. While looking at towers I happened to look at the E100 head (I saved it of course). Here’s pics.


Can you spot anything unusual?


Ding, ding, ding, ding. It is missing the outside spot faced holes that are under the towers! I can’t believe I didn’t catch that. According to the CB750-K2 parts manual only two of the small o-rings were required up to engine number 563. I know I had seen that before but I didn’t know why. Now it’s plenty obvious.

The last thing I want to do is pull out E100. But you all probably know me by now and know that I can’t let this go. When I get 97 back the engine’s coming out. I’ll probably re-sleeve and repair the fin and use the cylinders too. It’s still at the Petersen until February 28 so I have plenty of time to get them both ready.


Mark, It appears the 100 head has valve guide seals on the exhaust guides. Another strange variation, I think. Most of the early heads did not have exhaust valve guide seals.

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #766 on: January 03, 2017, 05:59:10 AM »
Mark, It appears the 100 head has valve guide seals on the exhaust guides. Another strange variation, I think. Most of the early heads did not have exhaust valve guide seals.
All of my sandcast engines had exhaust valve guide seals. According to the CB750-K2 parts manual they were that way until 14955. Are you saying that you have seen sandcast engines without the exhaust seals?
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #767 on: January 03, 2017, 11:15:07 AM »
Mark, It appears the 100 head has valve guide seals on the exhaust guides. Another strange variation, I think. Most of the early heads did not have exhaust valve guide seals.
All of my sandcast engines had exhaust valve guide seals. According to the CB750-K2 parts manual they were that way until 14955. Are you saying that you have seen sandcast engines without the exhaust seals?

You are correct. I hope it's not Alzheimer's kicking in!  :-[

It was later when they were removed before they were put back in.  ;D

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #768 on: January 03, 2017, 09:09:16 PM »
 When I noticed my new to me sandcast head had exhaust guide seals I assumed they were newer. I guess not.
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #769 on: April 02, 2017, 08:50:48 AM »
After spending a year and four months at the Petersen Automotive Museum #97 is back home safe and sound. I got to go see it once. It was pretty fun. Now for some more work. I was hoping I would have the head and cylinders ready to go but no such luck. I’m about half way there. And of course summer is coming up. #97 isn’t going anywhere now so when I get the parts ready she will be coming apart.

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #770 on: April 02, 2017, 08:52:34 AM »
Wow, 16 months already.  Did it run during that time or did you have it drained?

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #771 on: April 03, 2017, 05:41:41 AM »
It hasn't run yet. There has never been gas in the tank or carbs. Never been any exhaust in the pipes. I will fire it up after I finish the next phase.  ;D
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #772 on: April 03, 2017, 06:17:02 AM »
Good to see the "baby" back home.  I hadn't realized you never started it Mark.  ...Larry

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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #773 on: January 15, 2018, 03:25:00 AM »
Hi Mark - seeing #31 is up for auction thought I'd ping this thread to see if you had pulled the engine to match the original head with the cases? Didn't you have another Sandy you were working on?
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Re: Sandcast #97 restoration
« Reply #774 on: January 15, 2018, 05:39:20 AM »
I haven't yet but I do have the head ready to go. I'm overdue with posting some updates and will try to do that soon. And yes, I am also working on 576 and 1553.
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1969 CB750 sandcast #97 restored - Sold Restoration thread link
1969 CB750 sandcaxt #576 - Sold
1969 CB750 sandcast #1553 - Sold
1969 CB750 sandcast #1990 - Sold
1969 CB750 sandcast #5383 restored - Sold Restoration thread link
1970 CB750 K0 restored - Sold
2010 H-D Tri Glide Ultra Classic (Huh?)