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Offline dakeddie

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oil cooler
« on: November 05, 2010, 11:18:18 AM »
I've been looking for an oil cooler for my 750.  I'm thinking maybe one from a 1986/87 VFR700, but it has these two extra tubes coming off the cooler where the hoses bolt up.  What are they for?

Check out this pic, it's of an oil cooler from '94 CBR1000... it shows the tubes I'm talking about well...



I can't imagine it would be an overflow!!

And before anyone mentions it, I plan on using a thermostat.
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 12:59:07 PM »
looking at the microfiche, they seem to be overflow/return lines.  maybe there's a built in thermostat?  it just doesn't seem likely for an oil return line to be that type of tube...  i just looked at the fiche and it doesn't show much: http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1986-honda-motorcycle-vfr700f-interceptor/o/m2778#sch40165
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 04:37:55 PM »
The tubes are so short, they don't appear to go anywhere.  If it were overflow or return line, the oil would be dumping out on the frame or road!

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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 04:47:53 PM »
Are the plastic hoses connected to the oil lines? Internally
I was wondering if the plasic hoses are connected to the radiator.
I have no idea why they would do that, so I'm just wondering ??
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 12:54:59 AM »
No, the plastic hoses just hang there.  They don't connect to anything.  It's really like they are overflow tubes, I just can't imagine why it would be required for the oil system.

Oil overflow is usually collected somewhere, isn't it?

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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 09:17:29 AM »
I did not explain myself well.
The CBR1000 is liquid cooled, I think.
I.m wondering if the antifreeze flows through this oil cooler as well.
So inside the cooler are these lines connected?  I would check what I'm talking about by blowing into one of the plastic hoses and see where the air comes out.
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 09:53:48 AM »
I did not explain myself well.
The CBR1000 is liquid cooled, I think.
I.m wondering if the antifreeze flows through this oil cooler as well.
So inside the cooler are these lines connected?  I would check what I'm talking about by blowing into one of the plastic hoses and see where the air comes out.

1+ on that I think!

Looking at the second pic I can see the end of one of those tube and it looks like it has been clamped to something in it's past life?
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 10:56:19 PM »
I stopped by a honda shop today, they didn't know what the hoses are for, but thought maybe it was for coolant as well.  The only thing is, honda would never use clear tubing for this.  At least I've never seen clear tubing used for coolant.

I can't find it now, but I did see a pic on ebay of this cooler on the bike.  The clear tubes just dangled, open ends.

Maybe the oil cooler has the capability of flowing water, but honda choose not to, and so they put two small tubes on the unit to keep gunk from building up?

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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 11:20:51 PM »
This is pretty interesting, I can't wait to see how it turns out. I've got an oil cooler on my K7 but not my K2 and I've been considering what I may be able to get away with putting on there.

Now just how crucial is putting a thermostat on there? My K7 just has a cooler hooked up A the filter. No thermostat.

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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 08:32:43 AM »
Without a thermostat, the bike will have a longer warmup time, so I guess it depends on how you ride your bike... lots of short rides, or lots of long rides.  If it's lots of short rides, the oil won't get hot enough to boil off the water in the oil.  This will be evident by creamy "mayonnaise" in the oil tank.

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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 08:44:03 AM »
Without a thermostat, the bike will have a longer warmup time, so I guess it depends on how you ride your bike... lots of short rides, or lots of long rides.  If it's lots of short rides, the oil won't get hot enough to boil off the water in the oil.  This will be evident by creamy "mayonnaise" in the oil tank.

I saw this in another thread. It scared the beejeesus out of me. How does water wind up getting in there in the first place???

Also, what do you consider a 'short ride?'
The shortest haul it's been on was from my house to work, about 10 miles.
Well... it would have been 10 miles but I got distracted by riding. I'm not sure how far I went but I do know that 15 minute ride it took me almost an hour :-/

Edit: does it matter that I use fully synthetic oil? After I teardown and rebuild the engine this winter I'm considering switching to Amsoil from Mobile 1
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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2010, 10:48:42 AM »
I saw this in another thread. It scared the beejeesus out of me. How does water wind up getting in there in the first place???

Humidity from the air.

Ever notice condensation form on the outside of a cold drink?  That water condensed out of the humidity that was in the atmosphere.  Cold air cannot suspend as much water within it as hot air.

Every time your engine cools down, the crankcase, which is vented to the atmosphere, precipitate condensation on the interior walls and dribble down until the sump.  The more cool down cycles and the higher the humidity in the air the faster the water collects inside the engine.

To combat the water build up, the engine must attain a temperature which allows the water to evaporate back into the atmosphere, and hold that temperature until all the water inside has gone.  An oil cooler without a thermostat is totally reliant on the outside temps and the run times of the engine to rid itself of internal water.  Even with a thermostat to shunt the oil  around the cooler, the oil within the cooler can trap water that never gets circulated or heated enough to shed its water content.

Further, oil has an optimum temperature range for proper lubrication of the internal parts.  Too cold is almost as bad as too hot.
Thermostats, help out the the "too cold" only if the engine is run long enough or hot enough for the oil to achieve operating temp.
 
The oil type does not affect the formation of water inside the engine.  The viscosity of the oil does have a roll in and during the warm up time of the engine.


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Re: oil cooler
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2010, 06:49:53 PM »
I've seen oil coolers on our bikes before and they didn't have the extra hoses like the one off the interceptor. I would shop around. With the stock design of having the oil tank on the 750 the oil gets cooled off as it flows. With a external cooler it may cool it a little more but I'd think it will also reqire more oil. Just my $.02 worth.
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