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Offline Kong

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Re: Body filler @ low temps
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 01:56:13 PM »
Well, I can only tell you what I do.  When a customer brings me their tins the first thing I do is take them down to bare metal.  If there is any existing filler I grind it out completely.  If there is any metal work to be done that comes next.   I then test the tank for leaks and if its OK I shoot two coats of epoxy on it.  I use PPG's Omni line of epoxy, its inexpensive and available just about everywhere.  I give it 24 hours to cure and then if filler is required on it goes.  Any metal that is exposed is spot primed (epoxy again) after leveling.  Then I shoot the 2k on it, and one of the real keys to a superior paint job is to give the 2k plenty of time to cure between coats.  I'm not talking a string test here, I mean flat ass let it dry between coats.  Then of course its an indicator coat and block sand to 400p (and repeat as necessary).  When its all flat and straight then it gets two more coats of epoxy, slightly reduced (10% acetone by volume) as a sealer.  The recoat window on the sealer I use is 48 hours but I normally give it two and then get on the clock with the paint job.  After the PPG stuff for base I stick with HOK for everything else right up to the clear coat.  By the way, I've been doing body work and custom painting for over 40 years.
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Re: Body filler @ low temps
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2010, 04:05:08 PM »
Kong: "Then of course its an indicator coat and block sand to 400p (and repeat as necessary).  "

Question: what if you have low spots in your new filler? Do you sand all that all the way down through priner and filler to bare metal and start over?

I am at the point that if the body work doesn't turn out the way i want (perfect) then I will just deal with it and look for a good straight tank later and sand and paint. Filler seems like a PITA to deal with.
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Re: Body filler @ low temps
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2010, 04:36:15 PM »
Generally if I discover there is a significant low at that time I'll skim it it with Ice (flowing polyester filler), get it flat, and then reshoot the 2k over top of it and try again.  That is part of the repeat as necessary step.  I am a fanatic about dead flat smooth surfaces on the jobs I turn out and so I may find myself redoing it two or three times if necessary.  At any rate the epoxy is first and last.  I shoot it first over the bare metal to seal it against any chance of later corrosion, then I do my work, then when all is said and done I will shoot two more coats of the same epoxy paint, only thinned slightly this time, as a color sealer.  And that is the thing about epoxy, it is that final sealer that locks down everything under it.

As for the earlier question, about finding existing filler under an old paint job.  I know guys who say that if it has held out this long leave it alone.  My thinking is that I am the one who guarantees my work and I don't feel very comfortable guaranteeing someone else's work.  So I grind it out and redo the work in a fashion that I know with certainty is sound.  I think that's very important if for no other reason than the cost of the paint that will follow.

Just for reference, now and then I will paint a bike for a friend, and generally I'll just do it for the cost of materials.  In general that means they are going to have to lay out something like $200~300 (typical real-fire flame job over a solid base color) just for the paint and tape (all leftovers belong to the painter) depending on how complicated it is.  So even in those cheapest of jobs there is still enough money on the line that failure is not an option; and of course there is reputation, something that no painter can afford to lose.
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Re: Body filler @ low temps
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2010, 05:00:39 PM »
That's all very understandable. As I'm not a painter nor will I ever pretend to be. And because this is my tank, I'll heed your advise but only until my own OCD's are quenched. That may not be up to your standards but I'm OK with that.
No offense. I just plan on doing a 2 tone job and budget is a big priority. I do appreciate all the advise.

BTW, what do you mean by 2k?

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Re: Body filler @ low temps
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2010, 05:19:53 PM »
2k means, and I know this sounds odd, two component, but the abbreviation, I am told, comes from the original German manufacturer of catalyzed paints in which it was two komponent.  At any rate what it means is sandable primer, the stuff that fills pin holes, some guys might call it "high build".

If you're interested in the subject there is a great little article at the Southern Polyurethane website that tells you in no uncertain terms how to apply a perfect paint job.  Its a little different than I do it but if you follow their instructions you will indeed end up with a bullet-proof paint job.  Besides that, it makes a great, though short, read.  Here's the link:
http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/perfect%20paint.htm
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