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dual brake rigs
« on: April 27, 2005, 05:19:01 PM »
I know this is on the faqs but the pictures kinda stink and it sounds bad. Those of you who have done a 2 disk conversion, what did you do? Did you have to do things to the speedo housing like the FAQ says? and what about the extra rotor? Did you get longer bolts and if so what sizes. My brake works good but I dont like how the bike wants to pull to the left when using the brake. I would like a bit more braking and would like the bike to not pull. But if this means grinding and cutting and crap like that, pulling is fine! :D

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2005, 05:49:34 PM »
Huh ?

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 06:20:40 PM »
look in the faqs on this site and you will see a part about dual disk conversions.

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2005, 07:43:21 PM »
If your bike pulls to the left while braking you have bigger problems than how to install a dual disk set up. your bike should not pull at all! ,Fergie.
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2005, 07:53:27 PM »
It is a physics thing. Since the brake is on the left, when you hit the brake, it FEELS like it is pulling. My wheel does not actually tip to the left or anything like that. It has always done this and so have other 1 disk bikes I hav rode. The bike rides fine, tire and rim are aligned and balanced. Bearings are good. The best example I can give you is this, If you are jumping a bike, if you hit the break, the stopping of the front tires rotational force will make the front drop. If you hit the gas while in the air, the rear drops or the front pulls up. Nothing wrong with the bike, this is just what happens.

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2005, 08:23:36 PM »
speedo drive gearbox is ok, though you will need a 500/550 speedo drice plate...goes straight in now modifications, will post some pics so you can have a look... peace
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2005, 09:59:36 PM »
every 1 disk bike I ever had did not pull when braking. guys help me out here!!??
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2005, 11:35:13 PM »
Shouldn't pull from a physics standpoint. Disc is real close to the axel and in the plane of rotation + gyroscopically stable relative the wheel.

Perhaps it a perspective or perception?
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2005, 02:44:04 AM »
If you want a dual disk, be prepared to remove one set of calipers completely to remove the front wheel (no room for tyre to fit between calipers)
Also you have to get another, bigger master cylinder (e.g Leadwing) as the standard one doesn't have enough stroke. This means that you get one brake application. Any more & you have to pump the lever.
I have a dual disc on my K7 & have ridden one with a single and, frankly, the slight difference is not worth the trouble (my opinion only)

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2005, 06:06:50 AM »
man the double disc set up on my F1 is a huge change... i am using a VTR1000F master cyl i had laying round... and there isnt a modern double disc bike on the market that doesnt need the disc brake calipers taken off them to get the front wheel off... ???... as long as the conversion is done properly, there has to be a huge difference in the braking... i mean, two bad discs, are still better than one bad disc.. :-\... thats just my two cents...peace
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2005, 09:42:05 AM »
It could be a perceprion thing but it has never caused problems and people probably dont notice it after a bit cause they get used to the sensation.

So I need a rotor, larger master cyl, extra caliper, double banjo connection, and what else?

Where could I find braided brake line that will work with these calipers?

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2005, 10:08:29 AM »
Where could I find braided brake line that will work with these calipers?

I'm trying to find the same thing for my 550. Goodrich seems to be a good source, but their website lists about 8 million different types of hoses and connectors and it makes my head spin to try to figure out what I need.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2005, 01:45:16 PM »
Yeah it is hard to figure out. I would like to get a braided since I hear they offer better performance and greater strength. This is ideal since I would like to use a master from the same time period as my bike to keep it somewhat stock looking.

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2005, 04:45:16 PM »
i got my brake lines made at my local hydraulics shop, i figured if they can make lines the go on a squillion PSI hydraulics system then brake lines arent going to be a prob,one thing with the dual brake conversion... is the the right fork leg isnt!!! a mirror of the left... you need to do a bit of fiddling round to get the whole show to work properly, also get yourself a cb500/550 speedo drive plate.... will take some pics of mine and try to explain what i did...peace
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2005, 12:08:41 AM »
pic1.. mastercyl

pic 2... mastercyl from rider view.

pic3.. double banjo
« Last Edit: September 01, 2007, 06:05:55 PM by Glenn Stauffer »
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2005, 12:15:33 AM »
pic 4... braided lines i got my local hydraulics shop to make...

pic 5...top view of the left side showing shims and placement...

pic 6... back veiw of the same side showing were i removed metal from, and the other shim
« Last Edit: September 01, 2007, 06:12:18 PM by Glenn Stauffer »
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2005, 12:19:07 AM »
last pic... just show the cb500/550 speedo drive and the mount bolts for the disc... you need a full set of caliper mount bolts like the other side,and longer bolts for the other disc... cant remember to exact length, but they need to be at least the disc hub longer than the standard ones...hope this helps...peace
« Last Edit: September 01, 2007, 06:13:21 PM by Glenn Stauffer »
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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2005, 08:40:01 AM »
Hey, thanks for posting those pix. Looks like you did a fine job. A few questions:

- Where did the master cyl. come from?

- Why did you place the adjusting locknut on the inside?

- Why does the right-side caliper need to be shimmed? This is something I've read in several places, but I can't figure out why the two forks would not be equidistant from the hub.

- Did you make your own double-banjo bolt or buy one?

- Given that my bike is a 550, can I expect that my speedo gear box will fit with the new rotor?

Sorry for so many questions. Thanks.

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Re: dual brake rigs
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2005, 05:17:05 PM »
to start, mate i dont know anything about the 550/500's, it was just pot luck that i bought the wrong speedo drive plate and it fitted perfectly, i hadnt even pulled the front wheel apart to find out that i had the wrong one!!!... sometimes you get lucky.

there reason that there is so much messing around with a double brake set up on the cb's is because the forks arent a  mirror of eack other, at a quik glance they seem the same , but beleave me they are not.

   what i have done is file down the large lower mount on the fork leg, little by little, checking with the caliper arm, that the arm is parallel with the disc, you will find that of the 750's, it seems like they are unfinished... like an after thought.. so i filled checked,filed, till the mount had just enough clearance with the fork leg and the swivlel part of the control arm(that the caliper bolts to).
 
   when i first tested the caliper arm onthe fork, the top of the mount was about 30mm away from the fork leg,when touching the main mount!!!!.

 NEway once i had the control arm nipped to the fok leg, and the arm when nipped was parrallel( you can just use a straight edge off the disc), went and measured the difference that was left..( remembering i had 33mm at the start).. and it turned out to be just over 1.5mm... so went through my washers with a set of vernia, and found two washers that,were tight, and put them in and tightened them up.

   again got the straight edge out, and checked for parallel again... all was great, the arm moved, it was straight,.. oh and i do not recommend using socket head cap screws like i have used... have you ever tried getting a allen key in that gap and getting them tight!!!... us bolts much esier.

   right for the return spring,adjuster and lock nut.

   the adjuster boss on the folk leg is in a way different spot on the right, to the left.....when i tried to get the adjuster in, i couldnt get the nut on at the right adjustment... so figured if i put it on the back side, i could still use it as a lock nut, and still get my adjustment.

    the double banjo is from a set of GSXR1000 calipers i had laying round, and the mastercyl is from a VTR1000F firestorm, i used to have one , and it was really modified.(hence the gsxr calipers and the SP2 master cyl i had on it).. but car driver being who they are, dont need to use indicators, and now i dont have a firestorm, and am still off work after 12 months.... i built the brake set up out of what i had at home, you could probably get a double banjo bolt at you local hydraulics shop, thats where i got my braided lines from... hope this helped..peace
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