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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 07:44:58 AM »
I'm embarrassed to say this, but I wasted the entire summer of working on my cafe project because I was too intimidated to rebuild the carbs.  I literally avoided going in the garage so I wouldn't have to look at that 500 pound gorilla.  Then one day I simply got tired of my own excuses.  I used this link as posted above - http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/carb/carb.htm - and went step by step, laying everything out carefully and taking pictures as I went. 
The first carb took about 4 hours, the rest I was able to do the next day.  I used a combination of a gallon of carb dip and my home made soda blaster.  They came out looking great and, best of all, I was able to start my CB750 for the first time in 36 years!  It purrs like a kitten.
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2010, 10:12:35 AM »
I'm embarrassed to say this, but I wasted the entire summer of working on my cafe project because I was too intimidated to rebuild the carbs.  I literally avoided going in the garage so I wouldn't have to look at that 500 pound gorilla. 

Let's start a support group.

Hi, my name is Crip, and I am also scared #$%*less of my carbs.

My project is also at a stalled-ish point because I really, really don't want to take apart my carbs, but know I have to.  It will only run with the chock pulled all the way, and it sat for a long time before I got it.

As for spares, I have a second engine/carb/box setup (a year newer, totally different carbs) that I fully intend to (someday) tear down to nuts and bolts.  I figure I've got nothing to worry about with the spare one.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2010, 11:05:40 AM »
 If you want to ride an old motorcycle, it's in your best interest to know how to repair it yourself.  

Thank you. I can't tell you how often I get chastised for buying these old bikes with the intent of fixing them up.
People always say, "with all the money you spent on bikes and parts you could have just bought 1 decent bike to ride."

Well yea, but then I'd have only one bike, not 3 and probably wouldn't want to touch it. New (sport)bikes aren't easily customizable like these old goldies. Plus, anything you do to it isn't likely to GREATLY improve it's performance or your riding experience at all.

However, if you find an old snotter of a bike and do something great to it you'll be beaming with pride for life.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2010, 02:05:00 PM »
NOT SCARED!  i like those instructions provided by that website, as well as a bunch of great tips by everyone else.  ok, I'm going to try it.  i need every single person on standby incase I have any questions. :) can't wait to break stuff!

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2010, 02:08:44 PM »
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2010, 02:12:31 PM »
so what parts of the carbs am i going to be looking to have to replace?  what should i watch out for?  what should i definetly replace?

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »
NOT SCARED!  i like those instructions provided by that website, as well as a bunch of great tips by everyone else.  ok, I'm going to try it.  i need every single person on standby incase I have any questions. :) can't wait to break stuff!

in before terrible regrets.

We're here for you man. And I know the feeling... I was alright with cleaning out my carbs till I realized they were fukt and I had to totally rebuild them; not just gaskets but EVERYTHING.

It took me 60 mins to get every thing apart and photograph the process but it took me almost a week to clean and put it all back together haha.

My first suggestion is to be prepared to buy new slow jets. Mine were shot, like beyond cleaning. In fact it might not be a bad idea to just throw the $100 into a (good) rebuild kit. All new gaskets, jets (main, needle, slow), needle/clips, and float plungers.

look here:
http://www.siriusconinc.com/search_result.php?make=1&model=cb750k&part=1&partno=&x=49&y=18&search=search&start=0
That is where I got mine. Great parts, excellent price and the ONLY place you can find the slow jets.


My second suggestion is to make damn sure the float plunger passage is clear and the floats are set to the right height. I had a clump of SOMETHING clog mine up immediately after the thorough cleaning and made my #3 cyl extremely lean. Had to take them off and clean everything again.

My third suggestion is to make sure the gas tank is clean and rust free. If it's been sitting there's probably varnish in it. Drain the tank, spray some carb cleaner on the sock filter in the tank, and install an in-line fuel filter. It would be a shame to get rust or gunk from a dirty tank in your freshly cleaned carbs.
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2010, 02:17:09 PM »
also... when cleaning and rebuilding the carbs take them one at a time. Finish one before moving on to the next that way you always have one for reference (if you need it) and so you don't mix up parts.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2010, 02:24:26 PM »
I can't wait for the weather to warm up from frozen to frigid so I can get out to the 360 sitting in the drive way and clean its carbs just to get an idea of what the 550 is going to be like. I know they are different but it'll give me an idea at the very least. And I can f up a twin and fix it faster than a four...right?...RIGHT? ::)

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2010, 02:26:19 PM »
so what parts of the carbs am i going to be looking to have to replace?  what should i watch out for?  what should i definetly replace?

Defenitely replace all o-rings, gaskets, accelerator pump, and your float needles.  Watch out for the felt? o-rings around the choke and throttle shafts.  Be careful not to damage them.  When you take the idle screw out, there will also be a spring, washer, and o-ring.  The washer is small as hell!  Be careful not to lose it!

I used to order my kits from parts-n-more, but I don't see them on there anymore.  A good kit will have all the gaskets, o-rings, and float needles.  I usually don't change the jets unless I can't get them clean.
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2010, 02:39:35 PM »
Parts-n-more does have the pump for $14, which is about as cheap as they come.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2010, 02:43:27 PM »
Here's what I posted on another thread before:

I've done quite a few of the PD style (which is what you should have) and can be of help if you need it.  Near the bowl is the model number.  Either 42A or 42B depending on K or F model.  Partsnmore.com has the kits for $10 a piece.  I've always had good luck cleaning the needles and jets.  Simple Green and an ultrasonic cleaner work wonders!!!

Put the drill down!  You shouldn't have to use any power tools on these!

Step 1)  Take some pictures as a reference for later on.

Step 2)  Take all the butterfly plates off.  Hold the throttle lever open while you do this in case your screwdriver slips off.  You don't want to score your sliders.

Step 3)  Unscrew all your slider levers from the throttle shaft.

Step 4)  Loosen all your hose clamps.

Step 5)  Back off the allen screw for your cable guide.

Step 6)  Remove your backing plate and front bracket.

Step 7)  Start sliding your carbs off the throttle shaft starting with the #1 carb.  When you are ready to pull off #3, be careful as your return spring will want to twist the carbs.

Step 8)  Sliders should pull easily out of the body.  A small punch should easily push the pin out of the float.  Slide the float out of the needle.  Don't try to pull the needle out with the float as many of them are stuck.  If they are stuck, a pair of pliers should pull them out.

Step 9)  Remove the main jet using a screwdriver and, if memory serves me, a 7mm wrench.

Step 10)  Although Honda says the slow jets should not be removed, I always do.  They seem to be the hardest part to clean.  Get a pair of pliers with a wide jaw and grab them sideways and gently twist until they turn free.  If you damage them, they are available aftermarket.

Step 11)  Clean everything gently!


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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2010, 02:58:00 PM »
I used to order my kits from parts-n-more, but I don't see them on there anymore. 


I ran into the same thing after the site redesign, and this is what they said to my email:

"We are adding these parts back to the website shortly - please check for them in the next few days.
 
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2010, 03:08:24 PM »
I used to order my kits from parts-n-more, but I don't see them on there anymore. 


I ran into the same thing after the site redesign, and this is what they said to my email:

"We are adding these parts back to the website shortly - please check for them in the next few days.
 
Thanks
PNM"

That's good to know!  I've ordered a lot from PNM and I've always been happy.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2010, 03:10:53 PM »
That's good to know!  I've ordered a lot from PNM and I've always been happy.

Yeah, I almost had a melt-down with the redesign.  I had a lot of bookmarks to 650 stuff as they were the only place that had them and then *poof* gone.  I had to fire off an email about it.

\still hate the redesign, though.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2010, 05:00:12 PM »
www.cb750supply.com does have the rebuild kits for $12.50 each, which is still a decent price.  Accelerator pump is $21, which is $6 higher than PNM, but I guess you would probably save that on the shipping.  PNM used to have a $35 minimum order, but I think they have gotten rid of that policy.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2010, 05:21:25 PM »
there really should be a carb rebuilding sticky.  it's pretty important in my mind.  :)

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2010, 02:19:23 AM »
quick tip on cleaning jets...i don't believing in purchasing new jets...they can be cleaned!  soak them in brake parts cleaner, take a very fine strand of copper wire (from a phone wire) and wrap it around a finishing nail...this creates a spring "like" shape or cork screw...now thread the end that is straight through the jet and pull the coiled end through.  do this a couple times and the jet WILL be clean!  so, basically make a corkscrew out of very fine copper wire and pull it through the jet.

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2010, 06:38:08 AM »
I can't wait for the weather to warm up from frozen to frigid so I can get out to the 360 sitting in the drive way and clean its carbs just to get an idea of what the 550 is going to be like. I know they are different but it'll give me an idea at the very least. And I can f up a twin and fix it faster than a four...right?...RIGHT? ::)

lol yea and it costs half as much too  ::)

Important tip when reassembling: be easy with the butterfly plates. I inherited one that someone had snapped a screw off in the rod they mount to.
Also I had a problem with the choke sticking or not going all the way the solution was to loosen the butterfly plate screws JUST A TAD.
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2010, 08:28:26 AM »
there really should be a carb rebuilding sticky.  it's pretty important in my mind.  :)

You can find lot's of good stuff here and by using the search function:

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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2010, 06:07:05 AM »
Carb rebuild= 75% clean up/prep + 25% disassembly/reassembly w/adjustments. A shop manual, even a Clymer will serve you well.

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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2010, 06:43:14 AM »
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Re: Carb Cleaning/ Rebuild
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2010, 03:38:51 PM »
im on google talk practically 24/7 if you have any questions.  Im not a pro but might be able to help or search for something for you.

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