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Offline techy5025

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For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« on: March 14, 2006, 07:33:30 PM »
WAH WHO.....I now have a mate for my diecast....a sandcast.  The diecast is in
much better shape, but the sandcast is salvageable....and is running...just a
lot of rust from storage. Most of the pricey parts are there but need tender
loving care and "American Express" help. ::)

What drives us to want these old machines?  My guess is they give us a link
with our past and we can't stand to see them ignored and neglected.

At least now when I get ready to put it back together I'll have another bike
to compare it too. ;D

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 07:38:59 PM »
Congratulations! How about a picture?
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 07:55:13 PM »
She will be a nice one when you're done. Good luck and keep us updated as you progress through the process.  ;)
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 08:00:11 PM »
Thanks Bob.  Actually, I could probably streamline the notification of progress just by giving
you guys a summary of my bank account....as it plunges.  :o ;D :o ;D

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 11:20:14 PM »
Good one Jim, I noticed that the seller hadn't listed it as sandcast. He didn't know. There's heaps of spares out there. Good luck and keep us posted as to how it comes along...I paid $5211 for a good diecast so you have done really well. New carbs and a good tootie up and you are off!!!!...
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 12:13:25 AM »
Toy collector,

I looked at the bike before I bid on it.  Believe me, by the time the ad was on
ebay for one hour, the seller knew it was a sandcast!

Good gosh...I just realized that now I get to go through another set of the old
original carbs .... probably with leaky brass floats.  :o  But I'm sure I can count on
our resident carb expert for help.....where are you Bob?   ;D

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 12:44:51 AM »
You probably didn't get hammered cash wise for a true sandcast but what are you going to do...ride or restore?Man....if it was me and I had another to ride,I would just restore the sandcast slowly and meticulously.Keep the the die cast to ride.Damn,it's like having a 1909 penny thats worth crazy amounts of cash.Good luck whatever you do with it.
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 02:23:54 AM »
I'm with MrBreeze on the restore job if you've got a similar ride.  8)
What I don't understand on the ebay thing is 'harleyandshannon' upping the bid by $1500 to $3500 then increasing their own bid 5 times within ten minutes to $4900 when no one else seems to have been didding at that time. ??? ??? ???
Whats that all about???

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2006, 04:46:37 AM »
I'm with MrBreeze on the restore job if you've got a similar ride. 8)
What I don't understand on the ebay thing is 'harleyandshannon' upping the bid by $1500 to $3500 then increasing their own bid 5 times within ten minutes to $4900 when no one else seems to have been didding at that time. ??? ??? ???
Whats that all about???

That's called self-bidding. Either you with another account or a friend bids on your article to jack up the price. It's like setting a reserve price without having to pay the fee.

Well, I don't know wether to give you my congratulations or my sympathy. 6 grand is way too much for a non running bike. You have to repaint the tank, headlight ears and shell, as well as getting new sidecovers and a new -and unobtainable- red airbox. I hope the tank is the wrinkle type.

This is what I would do if I were you: rebuild the engine, repaint the frame -if it has to bo done-, take the body parts to paint and get yourself some replica sidecovers. Once the painter matches the color he will spray the sidecovers for just a little bit more. Replace the recessed ignition, the non-lip front mudguard and the short chainguard for K1 items, and ride it with pride. If you restore it to showroom condition you will end up with a 15-20 grand bike that you will  never ride. I hope you have a big living room to store it.


When the time comes, or while it comes, get the spare parts you need -original if possible- and keep them for the day you decide to restore it. If you finally never do, you can seel the bike and the parts for almost the same price as if it was actually restored.

It takes a lot of determination to risk 6 grand on a bike like that. Even when you hear tells you that a sandcast is such a rarity that will sell anytime for that price, I bet your head is asking you wether you were sure about what you were doing.

Raul

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2006, 05:52:38 AM »
What I don't understand on the ebay thing is 'harleyandshannon' upping the bid by $1500 to $3500 then increasing their own bid 5 times within ten minutes to $4900 when no one else seems to have been didding at that time. ??? ??? ???
Whats that all about???

Harleyandshannon was bidding against rrazor's $5,000 proxy bid.  The bid history is arranged by time placed.  rrazor put in his bid at 7:20 AM, then harleyandshannon started his bidding at 5:08 PM the same day, but never bid more than than rrazor's because he had reached his limit before topping the higher proxy bid. 

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2006, 06:27:55 AM »
OMG!!!!
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2006, 06:56:23 AM »

   Jim,
      That's quite a bit to spend but then that's quite a bike. I couldn't swing it but I'm glad you could.
   What Raul said makes alot of sense, gathering parts as you can, taking your time (when you do start
   restoring it). I know there's alot to do but, from the pictures, we've seen alot worse. You've got
   quite an investment there. Good luck with it and I hope you'll post some photos as you go.         
                                                       Later on, Bill  ;)
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2006, 06:57:36 AM »
Cheers Guys

Gordon that seems to make sense. Was just puzzled coz I don't use ebay much except for looking at sohc stuff.

Jim, if its worth the money for you then its a bargain no matter what anyone sais. We all know if we buy one of these machines for fun then we accept that we are always going to be putting our hand in our pocket. After all its only money.

Enjoy the bike. There will always be someone who wished they had it instead of you.  ;)

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2006, 07:03:08 AM »
Congrats! $6000 is a bargain if you ask me. I paid close to that for my diecast. Once you get that puppy restored you'll have a bike worth 3-4x what you paid for it. Nice having the diecast while the restoration takes place. Have fun!

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2006, 07:10:31 AM »
We all know if we buy one of these machines for fun then we accept that we are always going to be putting our hand in our pocket. After all its only money.


That is true, but the fun comes also when we talk about DISPOSABLE money. You need guts and determination not to make a 6 grand mistake.

Congrats! $6000 is a bargain if you ask me. I paid close to that for my diecast. Once you get that puppy restored you'll have a bike worth 3-4x what you paid for it. Nice having the diecast while the restoration takes place. Have fun!


Don't forget that the price of things are determined when you match a) the value of the thing for the seller and b) how much someone is willing to pay. For example, I have a mint, unrestored CB750K1. I've seen advertising of K2-K5 selling for 5.000 euro that stay for months in the magazines. So, when the day comes for me to sell the bike, how much is it worth? I honestly believe that it is worth somewhere between 7.000-9000 (original HM300 pipes, original seat, original sidecovers, and furthermore, very rare in Spain), but I can tell you that if I ask that for the bike it will remain unsold for months if not years. You can have a bunch of better bikes for 9.000 euros, and there are not many people with the whim of owning a CB750 K1 and 9.000 euros of disposable income...


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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2006, 08:29:02 AM »

That is true, but the fun comes also when we talk about DISPOSABLE money. You need guts and determination not to make a 6 grand mistake.


How do you know six grand isn't "disposable income" for techy?  Just a couple of years ago the $250 I paid for my K1 was a real sacrifice, but today I could drop way more than that without thinking twice.  It's all relative. 

Nice score, Techy!  I'm glad it went to someone on this forum. ;D 

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2006, 09:08:50 AM »
I know I'm risking a few Karma points on this one but I just gotta ask...what is it with some people around here lately???

I have been hanging around this site for some time and even the Greenspun forums before that (mostly lurking as I was so new to the SOHC game) but it seems that we all used to be way more supportive.

Not looking to take shots at anyone here but if  Techy (or anyone for that matter!) wants to spend 6 grand on a bike then so be it.

I for one am glad to see this bike go to a guy who is planning on fixing it up and not parting it out like alot of other people would. Money is only money....if spending 6 grand on a true classic makes you happy then friggin do it! Whether you get around to doing the resto or not you'll be able to say that you own that Sandcast regardless.

I'm not going to rain on your parade Techy...quite the opposite. I'm glad your happy with your investment! There are certainly worse things you could do with your money (like hang on to it for your kids to squander once you're gone!!!)

Anyways, enough of my ranting...

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2006, 09:18:08 AM »
Well said My78k! ;)

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standing O  78K!

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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2006, 11:10:06 AM »
78k - you said it far better than I could express the sentiment. Like yourself I paid a few hundred for my ride and could only just afford it at the time but the opportunity arose and I took it.

Far from getting negative Karma you just got a positive. ;)

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2006, 11:53:12 AM »

   Hey, I totally agree. I was just saying there was no way that I could afford it a nd I too am glad that someone on this forum picked up on it. There are too many classic bikes and cars that are being junked out or crushed. It really gets to me to see them wasted. I like to see the stock restored bikes but, I also like to see the customs build from those that aren't in very good shape because at least they are in good shape and being taken care of. I'm glad that another "Sandcast" is in good hands. Later on, Bill
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Re: For good or bad....I now own a "Sandcast"
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2006, 11:55:01 AM »
Actually...that cargo box on the rear hid some more treasures...one of which was the
RED AIRBOX.   ;D  The only thing really missing are the two side panels. 

The bike was ripe for someone to part out and I was not going to let that happen (bid
wise).  I  didn't buy it for a museum piece, however, so once complete it will spend some
time back on the road.

The temptation is to take the needed parts from the diecast to restore the sandcast, but
that will not happen to a bike I have owned for over 35 years. :)

So why are there no red side panels on ebay when I need them?  :o :o

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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2006, 03:33:14 PM »


  I know that was a relief to find the airbox and whatever else. Especially if the air box is as expensive as I've heard. I'll bet that did seem like a treasure chest. Later on, Bill ;)
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2006, 03:39:13 PM »
Awesome find.  I'm jealous.

How hard are K0 carbs to find?  I know they can't be too common being only in production for one year.