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Offline Nortstudio

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White Lard in my oil?
« on: January 19, 2011, 08:28:11 PM »
I checked my oil today, and found it quite low - and there was sone stuff on the bottom of the oil cap that looked like lard. It was jelly-like consistency and lard/white in color. The bike has been running pretty well, but this scared the hell out of me.

I could have sworn that I had read about this on here somewhere, but searches for oil and lard turned up nothing :)

Anyone know what this could be?  Based on a suggestion from this forum, I Had put a touch of seafoam in there a while back, maybe 50 miles ago. Otherwise it's 20/50 motorcycle oil in there.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 08:37:02 PM »
Cold weather = condensation.
 Make sure the engine gets warm while riding..
 I prewarm, amd postwarm every ride when it below 40 degrees..
..pretty well every day... >:(
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 09:18:54 PM »
754   + 1

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'Bet you've been making short runs in veerry cold weather (Brooklyn!). 754 is correct.

Since your oil is low, you might want to change it. But, even clean oil will suffer from the same condensation - unless you let her get up to temp.

If it were me, and it ain't, I might strongly consider 10-50 during winter.

Does your bike have one of those "EPA breather hoses" on it? They have to be kept clear and open (see manual). Otherwise, they can get blocked and cause pressure in the crank/pan and cause 'em to use oil. 'Hope that's it.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 10:49:40 PM »
Water and oil froth to make an emulsion.  Mayonnaise is also an emulsion of oil and water, btw.

Why the heck are you using 20 Wt oil in cold weather?

Honda says use 10w-40, for all temps.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 02:40:08 AM »
Water and oil froth to make an emulsion.  Mayonnaise is also an emulsion of oil and water, btw.

Why the heck are you using 20 Wt oil in cold weather?

Honda says use 10w-40, for all temps.

This is the first thing you notice as your 2002 (watercooled) begins to blow a head gasket.

It looks like that girl on TT's avatar is trying to make a silicone emulsion, BTW.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 03:54:19 AM »
Cor, I could watch that aaalllll day. By the way I reckon she's producing a lactose/oil emulsion. anyone agree? :D

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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 04:22:03 AM »
Thanks folks. I had originally put 20/50 in on a suggestion here (not sure I'll ever sway from 10/40 again).  I then bought the 10/40 and all the trimmings to change for the cold weather. But unfortunately, I then was buried under 18" of snow, and it still hasn't melted from the curb!!!, so no workshop for me. So no oil change. I'm just waiting on a non-snow day.

I have been making short, cold trips. But I do warm her up each time. Maybe not long enough?  I get her to where she idles on her own at 1000+ and then take it slow for a few blocks. I definitely don't warm down though.

How long should I be letting the bike "get warm?". I would say I currently give it about 15 minutes.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 06:25:50 AM »
It really needs nice long fast hi-way runs where the water gets a chance to really "boil" out. Putting around the city probably is not really enough of a spirited run this time of year. +1 on a lighter oil for the winter also.

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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 06:53:10 AM »
754   + 1

Does your bike have one of those "EPA breather hoses" on it? They have to be kept clear and open (see manual). Otherwise, they can get blocked and cause pressure in the crank/pan and cause 'em to use oil. 'Hope that's it.

Are we talking about the hose that runs back to the air box?  If so, I have one of those on there.  I can remove it and make sure that it's clean and clear.

I will take her out for a longer ride as soon as I can.  All of my rides recently have been short bursts locally. 

Also, any suggestions for amount/length of time to warm this beast up before hopping on for a ride is much appreciated.  i was simply determining this by the health of the idle, but due to cold weather, may be jumping on a little too soon.

Thanks for all the responses folks.

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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 07:48:21 AM »
If it runs about 2 or 3 minutes at 3K, the head and cylinder are getting warm. I try to get it to where I start to feel the valvecover warming up a buit.

 When I get home after a 4mile ride(commute), it is never real warm, but oil is fairly warm, so I let it idle a minute or a tad longer in still air. Its  about 35-40 mph on the way home, but the outside air keeps the motor on the coiol side. Then the valvecover starts to feel  quite warm, and hopefully the internal remps are high enough to get most of the moisture out of the oil. It never seems to get it all out of the tank, if you are riding daily in cold weather.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 10:18:37 AM »
Thanks folks. I had originally put 20/50 in on a suggestion here (not sure I'll ever sway from 10/40 again).  I then bought the 10/40 and all the trimmings to change for the cold weather. But unfortunately, I then was buried under 18" of snow, and it still hasn't melted from the curb!!!, so no workshop for me. So no oil change. I'm just waiting on a non-snow day.

I have been making short, cold trips. But I do warm her up each time. Maybe not long enough?  I get her to where she idles on her own at 1000+ and then take it slow for a few blocks. I definitely don't warm down though.

How long should I be letting the bike "get warm?". I would say I currently give it about 15 minutes.
As it is an air cooled engine, "how long" is dependent on the temperature and volume of the air passing over the cooling fins/engine case where heat is transferred into the air.  The engine will run fine when the cylinders are warm as that effects fuel atomization efficiency.  The oil begins to vaporize the water/condensate when it gets to about 100F.  Once it gets to that temp. it needs to be sustained until the water is all gone.  Every time humidity laden air inside the engine cools down, water droplets form on the inside wall of the transmission engine case.  Just like it does on the outside of your ice tea glass in summer.

When I was riding my CB550 in the mild winters of Nor. Cal., A 20 minute ride was not enough to convert the mayonnaise back to oil near the dipstick area.  It took about 40 minutes on the 50F freeway at 70MPH to get the whole metal assembly hot enough to get rid of the mayo.  The Vetter sure made this task far more enjoyable.   ;D

I can envision some temps where the engine will lose heat faster that it can gain it and never be able to fully vaporize the water near the rear of the engine case.

Thinner oil will circulate far better than thick, making it more likely to get that contaminated water to a spot it can vaporize.


There was mention of the air breather.  The 550 has a foam element at the bottom of the air box.  In winter ,this foam would get totally blocked up with condensate and need to be squeezed and aired out once a month when it was cold and rainy.  Once it is blocked with water, the engine can't get rid of the water vapor inside the engine, it just repeats the vaporize/condensation cycle along with every engine run cycle.

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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 11:16:29 AM »
Thanks so much TT.  Incredibly thorough as usual. I have come to lean on your wisdom (I fear too much so!).

I think I may be lurking in that zone between engine heat created and outside temp cooling the engine.  I will attempt a longer, more heated ride as soon as the snow clears (expecting another 3-5"!!!!!).

In the meantime, as soon as I can get to the curb for an oil change to the lighter oil, I will.

Thanks to everyone else as well. I really appreciate the quick and detailed responses!

Scott
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 07:23:26 PM »
So, are you naming your bike Mayo for now!??!
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 08:15:50 PM »
No, Miracle whip.
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Re: White Lard in my oil?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 08:51:58 PM »
It fries bacon good, that stuff, scoop it off  ;D
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