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Offline R. Hykawy

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handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« on: March 14, 2006, 05:44:42 PM »
 I am looking at installing a windshield/fairing on my bike as I plan to take some longer highway rides this summer. My question is are there any differences in the way the bike reacts(steering,wind gusts etc.) riding with above noted setup vs no windshield/fairing. Just curious as I have never riden a bike equipped with windshield/fairing.
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 08:17:36 PM »
Keeps bugs off.  Hot in warm weather, but definitely warmer in cold weather.  May help prevent fatigue from wind and wind buffeting.  Some cause more noise or focus engine heat on you.  Handle bare mounted windshields can definitely move you around in certain wind conditions because it acts like a sail.  Frame mounted fairings are more steady.
Personally, I've been all over the country with no fairing, but lower bars cause the wind to supprt your body. Wish I had one when it snowed, when it hailed, and when I ran through a literal cloud of yellow butterflies in Kansas.
The short answer is "yes"- a bar-mounted windshield can get caught by crosswinds and scare you.
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 09:59:07 PM »
Never had a fairing. Had a windshield, didn't care for it. Buffetted my head around. I took a 1200 mile trip last fall with no windshield or fairing and wasn't bothered except for the bugs I'm still wiping off my leather jacket.

I never thought of the windshield acting as a sail. I live in a place notorious for cross winds and gusts, think I'll stick to the bare look for sure now.

Oh yeah, I'm on a 750. Might be worse on a smaller bike?
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 11:26:45 PM »
I've had a Windjammer SS fairing on my 750F since the winter of 1977 and the last 90,000 miles or so.  I've had the bike when living in western Washington state, southcentral Alaska, and now southern Idaho.  I ride year-round as much as possible, and even managed 7 months out of the year when in Alaska.  The fairing makes it reasonably pleasant to ride in the winter.

As far handling goes, the fairing has no real adverse effects in crosswinds.  One memorable day, I was riding between Eagle River and Anchorage on the Glenn Highway past the Fort Rich firing range.  Strong crosswinds are frequent in that spot, and that day I knew they were stronger than usual, but it was no sweat.  The gusts were taking me off my line a foot or so.  I saw a pickup ahead of me that was swerving around in the wind.  As I watched, the wind tore the canopy right off the back of the truck.  I figured the canopy must not have been fastened on too well, but I found out later in the day that wind instrument at the rifle range was recording gusts at 80+.

You will see the looks of the Windjammers maligned frequently here, but I think the later ones look OK. The thermometer at my house said 18 degrees F the other morning when I rode to work and the jammer was looking real purty.  It has a lot of storage room, too. 

The Windjammer is fairing mounted.  I also have a Plexifairing 3 handlebar mounted windshield that came with a CM450 that I bought for my wife.  It is a big windshield for such a light bike, and I never noticed any problems in the wind with it.  I never rode it in any hurricanes, though. 
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 11:41:14 PM »
Fairing / windshield experiences with a Cb550.

The small bikini fairings are primarily for looks, I think.  Which is what initially drew me toward it.  With a stock bar height riding position, it may take some wind off your chest.  But, it deflects most of it to your head/helmet.  Windshear.  If your in a head down crouch its okay.  But, not for hours.  Imagine someone pushing only on your forhead for four hours.  Not much side wind loading effect.  These are usually bar mount.  I didn't ride with this very long as it just wasn't what I was looking for comfortwise.  I no longer have one of these.

77 CB550F - a National Cycle bar mount windshield.   This works quite well.  Keeps fatiguing wind pressure off chest and helmet.  But, there is some buffet about the helmet increasing noise somewhat.  Pretty light, very little crosswind effects even though bar mounted.  Definitely reduces fatigue over longer distances.  No mods to bike and it can be removed easily.

74 CB550 with Vetter Windjammer 5 and lowers.  This was my all weather commute/travel bike for lots of years.  It's a frame mount and large.  Not much steering difficulty, but does catch side winds due to size.  I'd take the lowers off in the summer to cool my lowers.  I have a first gear MC jacket with scoops in the sleeves to pull in air that blows up the arms and fills the jacket with fresh air and vents in the back.  The fairing is wonderful in cold weather.  The lowers deflect cold air away from legs and draw the warm air off the motor onto them.  A bike with HEATER.   It was strange getting used to this when I first put it on as it doesn't turn with the bars and I had run with no fairing for several years before it's installation.  This set up would have to be the best cross country option.   It's easy to understand how these were so popular with the touring crowd.   Select a windshield height just below eye level.  It does add weight and load the front end, so canyon carving and peg scraping is not it's forte.  But, if you spend 4-5 hours on the bike so equipped, you can still party afterwards instead of napping.
Must remove headlight, turn signals, and fork ears for most installations. So, while restoration is possible, it's not quick.

76 Cb550F with Vetter QuickSilver.   Frame mount but much smaller and lighter than the Windjammer.  Very good wind protection for little long distance fatigue.  Shoulders still get some cooling air flow.   No additional crosswind steering issues that I have noticed probably due to the small profile.  It's surprisingly effective for a small frame mount fairing.  I bet this would work well on a Cb400 for long distances, too.  Finding mounts could be a challenge, though.

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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2006, 03:49:00 AM »
I have a 74 550 with a bar mounted fairing would prefer a windjammer frame mount to stop the small amount of buffeting that can be felt in the bars but it isn't that bad even in a cross wind.  Took it off for a while and I must be getting old, took too much out of me to hang on to the bars with no fairing.  Pics in my gallery at www.cryscom.nb.ca, plan on updating may pics on the SOHC4 gallery fairly soon, I hope.

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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 07:59:18 AM »
My 650 had one of those generic handlebar mounted windsheilds on it when I purchased it.  Due to it's large size and concave shape (as view from the saddle) it does a great job of breaking head on wind and keeping me warm in cooler weather.  It catches cross winds like a sail and handling is adversely affected.  It now hangs on my garage wall 95% of the time.  Less concave windsheilds on some other bikes did not have the sail effect. 

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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 09:25:42 AM »
I got the jammer ss model and it lookes pretty nice. The headlight has a shroud so it looks like one unit and the turn signals are part of the unit and not mounted on posts like the earlier jammers. I have very little problem with cross winds. I am ditching it for town use for the very reasons tired stated. It is a heavy unit. Maybe too much for a 400.

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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 09:51:12 AM »
I prefer the frame mounted fairing on my bike....able to cruise all day without to much problem. My 1978 CB550 came with a handlebar mounted sport windshield...that( like others have said) acted like a sail and pushed me all over the road on blustery days. I also noted that the sport windsheild caused alot of wind buffeting on my helmet.
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2006, 03:24:57 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys, I guess I will probably go with a full fairing as opposed to handlebar mount. Should have mentioned it is going on my cx500 not my 400f.
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2006, 06:19:14 PM »
The CX500 sho is fugly- but one heck of a cow pony. Hauls a load with pretty fair gitty-up.  Good seat, too.
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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2006, 06:07:27 AM »
When you make your decision to use one, let me know.  I have two Windjammers in decent condition in my attic in Indianapolis.  I will gladly entertain offers to carry them off.  Even have the hardware.  Cheers.

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Re: handling question? fairing vs no fairing
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2006, 07:26:07 AM »
Has one one ever refit a handlebar mounted windsheild to the frame?  Could save some cash and solve the sail problem.  Might be worth looking into.