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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2010, 02:31:31 PM »
All I can say to those who do not want to worry about guns, live as good as you can. if the day comes where you could have defended your family if you just had a gun, I guarantee you will change your mind about them. Threats are not just from other people with guns or even knives and whatnot.
Also, not every can just pack up and move if the area suddenly does not suit their sensibilities. Sometimes you are stuck right where you are.

Funny stuff. If you were looking at backing a horse  at the odds of actually being shot in your own home, you wouldn't go near it....guns are for hero's, and if you need one to feel secure then i pity you, and before you go off all half cocked, i am quite a good shot {rifle and shotgun} and if my country were being invaded i would arm myself, We don't have a proliferation of guns here so its not something we generally worry about but, if you are going to shoot me in my own home then make sure you kill me........Revenge is a dish often served cold.......And i'll get you..... ;)

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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2010, 02:51:36 PM »
Why would anyone go in your house when you are home?  Does your gun shoot itself when you are not home?  They'll just wait til you're not home, then  steal your gun too.  Oh, but you keep it locked up?  Then how are you gonna get to it before they shoot you?  Out on the streets you carry a concealed weapon?  They point a gun at you and say give me your wallet.  You think they're not gonna shoot you first when you pull out a gun?  Come on, western movies and Clint Eastwood are not real.  People commit crimes for two reasons.  They are either crazy or they have nothing to lose.  People who are crazy or have nothing to lose are not concerned about your silly little gun.
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2010, 03:36:17 PM »
There are quite literally thousands of reports showing a gun is quite a useful tool against criminals and other life threatening situations.
To think it is impossible that you may encounter one personally, is like, well betting on a long shot horse, except if your "horse" loses, you lose more than money and pride.  Then again maybe no one will miss you if you don't even care to hedge your bets for your own survival.
Just because your media, government, and your own initiative are so deficient as to not not even plan for your survival, doesn't mean mean all others have to join you in your oblivion. 
You plan for the worst of times, not the best of times.  That is what insurance companies sell, and many of you buy.  Is all insurance infallible?  No.  But, if you don't have ANY insurance is is quite certain it won't help you when needed.  Guns, for defensive purposes are there for insurance, just in case the worst DOES happen to YOU.

A few (of many many) reports follow.  They are there if you look for them.  But, if you would rather be force fed information by those who could care less about your individual survival, I doubt you've ever seen these. (And will probably scoff at them, as well.)

Two female joggers were enjoying a morning run when three dogs viciously attacked them. Blood-curdling screams rang out. Onlookers dialed 9-1-1, but Gary Paque knew there was no time. He grabbed his 9 mm handgun and ran to the scene. "[One of the women] was on the ground and there were three dogs trying to pull her apart," he said. "I shot the one dog, and he just dropped. … The other dogs stopped, then continued to attack her." Paque's gun malfunctioned, but neighbor John Bettencourt arrived with a .45-cal. pistol and shot the two remaining dogs. The most badly injured jogger was taken to the hospital with serious but not life-threatening injuries. "[The armed citizens] probably saved her life," said Police Officer Joseph Holecek. (Daily Republic, Fairfield, CA, 09/11/10)
His delivery completed, a pizza driver began to drive away when a masked man accosted him with a shotgun and announced a robbery. The driver drew a handgun that he was licensed to carry and shot the suspect. After asking a passerby to call 9-1-1, the compassionate driver reassured the wounded suspect that help was on the way. "He kept saying, 'They're coming!' like he was encouraging him to be okay," said witness Dana Trader. The suspect will be arrested after his release from the hospital. (WTVR-TV, Richmond, VA, 09/20/10)
Retired schoolteacher Larry Goldstein was awakened by a loud noise and quickly obtained his .38-cal. Smith & Wesson revolver. As he reached the first floor of his Brooklyn, N.Y., home, two men confronted him carrying what appeared to be a pistol and an M-16 rifle. Fearing for his life, Goldstein shot one of the intruders three times. The wounded intruder was arrested. His accomplice fled the scene. Both guns carried by the men proved to be toys, but according to a police spokesman, they "were very realistic looking. If someone pointed them at you, you would light them up, too," he said. (The Wall Street Journal, 09/16/10, New York, NY)
A woman was tending a convenience store register when a convicted felon burst through the door and put a gun in her face. The woman's husband, who'd been sitting on a stool at the end of the counter, drew his handgun and shot the suspect three times. The suspect will be arrested upon his release from the hospital. "I hope that it sends a really strong message to anyone that's thinking about going out and doing something stupid that there are people out there who are legally carrying firearms and that they have the right to protect themselves or another person," said County Sheriff Graham Atkinson. (The Mount Airy News, Mount Airy, NC, 09/23/10)

Ethel Jones, a 69-year-old grandmother, heard a ruckus at her front door one evening while she was home alone. "He started shaking [the door]," she recalled, "and I said to myself, 'Somebody is fixin' to break in!'" The burglar removed an air conditioner from a window and crawled inside. Jones quickly obtained her revolver, walked out of her bedroom and came face-to-face with the intruder. "I shot three times," she explained, "and he ran away hollering." The wounded suspect was arrested at the hospital. "I hope this will make people have second thoughts before they break into a home in our neighborhood and stop some of the crime we've had around here," Jones said. (The Decatur Daily, Decatur, AL, 08/31/10)
Casey Bartram returned home with his girlfriend and 2-year-old son after an evening of bowling, but grew suspicious when he noticed the house was darker than normal and the door wasn't locked properly. Unbeknownst to Bartram, two intruders wearing ski masks lurked inside. One of them, who had a gun, sprang upon Bartram who also had a gun (carried legally). In the ensuing struggle, Bartram fired a shot, killing the assailant. The second suspect fled and was arrested. "It's a good Second Amendment case," said County Sheriff Greg Farley. "A man was able to defend his girlfriend, child and home." (The Herald-Dispatch, Huntington, WV, 09/21/10)
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2010, 04:01:18 PM »
Yeah, this is a true story.  One time I went to a house party in a rough part of Detroit.  My hosts ran out of wiskey and I had some in my car parked a couple blocks away so we went to get it.  While returning to the party several shots rang out on the next block.  I promptly hit the dirt in the nearest shrubbery.  My hosts, longtime residents of Detroit didn't even flinch and said "Hey Sean, they are not shooting at you, ha ha ha."  I stood up, brushed myself off, walked back to the party, and continued drinking whiskey until the wee hours of the morning.
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2010, 04:18:54 PM »
There isn't a time or place where a man shouldn't be armed. You never know what some other crazy #$%* is going to try. What if some crackhea tried to rob the store ans was going to hurt someone. You never know, thats why you carry.

I hear that kind of excuse all the time but its flawed as the chances of it happening to you are very very small (unless you live in a particular rough part of the US). In Europe no one carries a gun and there is no epidemic of crackheads robbing stores. In general people feel pretty safe in their everyday lives.  If you feel the need to carry a weapon all the time then in my opinion you are paranoid. Not the way I chose to live. Each to their own.

Discharge a gun and you can kill someone. Thats it. No second chance. You took someones life. I hope you made the right choice....

Look at Hush in this case...he talked the guy down. Even if the offender came back to be a dickhead he was taken care of using non-lethal means. Whats the alternative? You pull a gun on him? And then what? Are you going to hope he backs down or are you going to shoot him dead? Try explaining that to the nice officer who is arresting you..."but he took my parking spot"  ::)




This isn't about parking spots and you are trying to distort the argument. 
Your premise that the odds are so low as to preclude carrying a firearm is invalid. 
Do you wear your seatbelt or have smoke alarms in your home?  Per hours driven, your odds of being in an accident are higher than your odds of being robbed (in some locales), and higher than your odds of having a home burn down.  Yet, nearly everyone accepts that seatbelts and smoke alarms are a good idea. 
I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2010, 04:30:37 PM »
I'd just like to point out that an accidentally discharged or misdirected smoke alarm can't kill anything but "the mood".  I like guns.  They are fun to shoot.  Wish I had one to protect myself from the hundreds of evil empty beer cans that are outside my house right now!
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« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2010, 05:12:14 PM »
I'd just like to point out that an accidentally discharged or misdirected smoke alarm can't kill anything but "the mood".  I like guns.  They are fun to shoot.  Wish I had one to protect myself from the hundreds of evil empty beer cans that are outside my house right now!
I'd like to see an example of your "accidentally discharged" situation, and make sure it isn't an example of an irresponsible gun owner.
I am, under law, allowed to use deadly force in my household in the event of a burglary. It takes me less than 5 seconds to reach my loaded gun, and act under the law.  It's your choice to not own a gun, why is it so hard to simply accept that other people want to own one?

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2010, 05:14:38 PM »
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I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut
Well the same can be said of those who feel guns are un-necessary.

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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2010, 08:07:08 PM »
I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

This is the lamest thing I have read on this thread. You clearly have no idea.

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2010, 08:28:27 PM »
I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

This is the lamest thing I have read on this thread. You clearly have no idea.



TT, don't waste your breath mate, for every example i can find 10 against, and plenty of comparisons from overseas to prove my point.
Some of you lot are just paranoid and believe all the hype..

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Do you wear your seatbelt or have smoke alarms in your home?

Dumb example mate, seatbelts are required by law so are fire alarms, GUNS are NOT.... ::)

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I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

Stupidest thing i have read here as well........baseless crap.....

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2010, 08:34:49 PM »
I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

This is the lamest thing I have read on this thread. You clearly have no idea.



To each his own. You claim I don't understand - right back at you.
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PS- Baseless crap?  I beg to differ, my crap has just as much base as yours, RR!

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2010, 08:38:17 PM »
look what you've gone and done Hush. another bloody oil thread.
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2010, 08:42:23 PM »
heheh...maybe he should invest in a classic ex-police CAR for those family outings?   ;D

Seriously tho, Hush, You have my sincere respect for a well played hand...
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2010, 08:56:19 PM »
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PS- Baseless crap?  I beg to differ, my crap has just as much base as yours, RR!

As long as you believe that then you are absolutely walking around with your head in the sand.........And that was the clean version.... ???

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2010, 09:02:51 PM »
I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

This is the lamest thing I have read on this thread. You clearly have no idea.



TT, don't waste your breath mate, for every example i can find 10 against, and plenty of comparisons from overseas to prove my point.
Some of you lot are just paranoid and believe all the hype..

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Do you wear your seatbelt or have smoke alarms in your home?

Dumb example mate, seatbelts are required by law so are fire alarms, GUNS are NOT.... ::)

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I don't mean to change your mind, most anti-gun folks are ideological and therefore illogical.  So, sorry you are stuck in your rut.

Stupidest thing i have read here as well........baseless crap.....

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I'm not paranoid at all. Hell, I give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time in being honest, upright citizens.  Even with being involved in law enforcement. I felt just as comfortable before I had my gun as I do now.  I do feel more comfortable leaving my wife home alone for long periods of time though. Like I said, I have a right to protect my property and household, along with other people. I also have a right NOT to do that. To each his own.
And the seatbelt thing. I think it should be law for minors to be buckled in, not adults. If a person is reasonable enough to drive a car, they are reasonable enough to make a choice to protect themselves. Let the insurance companies mess with the details, not the govt.....
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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2010, 09:04:13 PM »
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PS- Baseless crap?  I beg to differ, my crap has just as much base as yours, RR!

As long as you believe that then you are absolutely walking around with your head in the sand.........And that was the clean version.... ???

Mick

Okey doke, thanks for being so enlightening.
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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2010, 09:10:47 PM »
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. Let the insurance companies mess with the details, not the govt.....

If thats the case,all the good drivers end up paying for the stupid ones......You have too much faith in people doing the "right" thing, it just doesn't happen like that in the REAL world.......Although i wish it did.....

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« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2010, 09:16:25 PM »
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. Let the insurance companies mess with the details, not the govt.....

If thats the case,all the good drivers end up paying for the stupid ones......You have too much faith in people doing the "right" thing, it just doesn't happen like that in the REAL world.......Although i wish it did.....

Mick

The good drivers wouldn't necessarily end up paying for the stupid ones. If you survive the wreck, found you aren't wearing your seatbelt, you don't get covered (out of pocket). Hell my health/life insurance is the same way. Family is SOL if I'm killed in a wreck without my seatbelt. They have a choice to wear it or not (breaking the law or complying), just like they have a choice to break into my house or not......
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2010, 10:01:16 PM »
Cars all good Retro, my step daughter can be as scarey as her Mom when she wants to be. ;D don't anybody tell Jaffa I said that OK! ;)
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2010, 04:15:22 AM »
Guns and people breaking into houses, does that mean I can't feel safe unless I have a sawed off double barrel, one side with bird shot the other ball bearings? How about my 14" chefs knife will that do? I once knew a Scot who survived the "razor gangs" who claimed guns were lovely, but for real fun, in close with a blade was better, he was of course a special case. Hush as far as I can see you handled it, I think telling the #$%*s rather than shooting them, means that they may modify their behavior and it's not contributing to the escalation of violence.
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« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2010, 04:19:41 AM »
Cars all good Retro, my step daughter can be as scarey as her Mom when she wants to be. ;D don't anybody tell Jaffa I said that OK! ;)

Gday Hush, you got the boys 400 sorted yet.?.... ;)

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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2010, 04:40:35 AM »
Bobby it's not a bad little place it's got one of just about everything and even though I'm a city boy I don't miss the ant heap that the cities have become, if I wanted to become part of the colony I might move back, my kids are suggesting that it might be handy if when it's time I move into a "Retirement Home" in the city close to them, I don't know, I'm kind of a independent old thing and the city may not be able to cope.
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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2010, 05:20:46 AM »
Parking lot rage! Mt mom is 76 and very fussy about her cars. A few years back she parked her 65 Mustang in as remote a spot as possible while she went to the ATM. She watched a woman pull right up next to her car in an almost empty blot and THROW her door open, smacking mom's Mustang! It hit so hard it bounced back and closed again. Mom went over and cussed her like a dog until the woman drove off. Mom watched her park, drove over, got out and kicked the Hell out of the woman's car. The bank called her at home to let her know that the woman had reported a "young blonde" had vandalized her car. Mom dyed her hair dark and parked the Mustang for a month. Don't mess with old people!

Wouldn't it make more sense to write down the persons plate number and report it to their insurance company? This procedure will keep you in the right, punish the guilty and repair the damage to your car. That whole "eye for an eye" thing just leads to a lot of blind people.
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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2010, 07:36:21 AM »
Guns and people breaking into houses, does that mean I can't feel safe unless I have a sawed off double barrel, one side with bird shot the other ball bearings? How about my 14" chefs knife will that do? I once knew a Scot who survived the "razor gangs" who claimed guns were lovely, but for real fun, in close with a blade was better, he was of course a special case. Hush as far as I can see you handled it, I think telling the #$%*s rather than shooting them, means that they may modify their behavior and it's not contributing to the escalation of violence.
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I love the assumptions. When did I ever say you HAVE to feel safe in your house with a gun. Hell, I even said I felt just as safe before I had my gun. It's my choice to own a gun, to use my gun, in a lawful manner. Every situation is different.
And I would consider using deadly force in my household a good de-escalation of violence  :)

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Re: Today Hush got "road raged"!
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2010, 08:14:27 AM »
Nick I wasn't referring to you specifically, there are others I was asking as well and I was more decrying the paranoia, why if you had a choice would you live in a place that needed a gun in the house, or a knife, or an rpg and I was replying to the bit about my and other governments thinking for us as well, if I owned a weapon my government wouldn't be dictating what, where, etc. As far as the violence thing some times Rambo is not the answer.
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