Topic: Imola CB550 what is this and what is it worth?

[ekpent]

Hey Justme since nobody has officially welcomed you to the forum yet I will say "Welcome" and enjoy the fun.

[justme361]

Hey Justme since nobody has officially welcomed you to the forum yet I will say "Welcome" and enjoy the fun.

Thank you   

[srook]

"the bike was sent from italy during a military move. My husbands buddy met a girl in italy. married  her and came back to the states. This girls father would race the bike as a hobby over there. my husbands friend brought it back to the states and gave it to him. my husband drove it a few times then he was deployed to panama. its been in storage ever since. Its not running. Im sure it needs lots of work. Hes gonna have to file for a lost title."

Um, I don't think you have the authority to sell this bike.  Especially if it was imported without a title.  I would really like to hear more about how this bike was imported by someone other than the actual owner.  Do you have any paperwork from customs?  I think I understand the low price now.  If your story is true you would be much better off tearing the bike apart and selling the pieces because no one would ever be able to title it in the U.S. without spending a bunch of money and going through a huge hassle that would involve trying to track down the original owner in Italy!  Good luck with this thing and the person who almost bought it for $200 be happy you walked away.

Scott

[Retro Rocket]

Can altruism exist in a capitalistic society?

Does a capitalistic society teach the avoidance of altruism?

If you don't know what altruism means, I can probably guess who your teachers were.  

Since when did you become a charity LLoyd, and that can go both ways buddy. KKC took away the charity from at least one member that was going or interested in buying that bike at the price advertised. You see, if no one had butted in then the bike would have gone to a happy buyer and the seller would have been fine as well, now you have a member pissed off about loosing a potential sale, so we have a worse scenario because one of the parties isn't happy.....While trying to make himself sound important to the seller he misinformed them about the bike. He should have said,i'm sorry but i know nothing about the bike.....which obviously he didn't....

2 Friends of mine bought their music shop in the late 70's with the money they got from 2 Vincent Black shadows they were "Given" by an old lady.......Those bikes were worth a small fortune but the lady didn't want a cent for them...I suppose they are cheats as well.....

This thread is getting hilarious ...

Mick

He didnt take it cause its a 500 and not a 550 like we thought it was. And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk and that its not even running. The guy himself said that we should sell the parts that we would make more money off it.  He sounded important by telling me to sell on e-bay??? thats sound childish of you.  Ebay is full of guys that will want this bike and do something with it.  How is that sounding important?  He never told me the bike is worth a fortune. just gave me advice of where to sell it to people that would want it.      

Interesting and ill informed....
King wrote:

I am getting the $18-20K vibe on this one but wanted to put it in front of those that know much more than I.

And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk

And his wife was there too, he said it was too far to go, 20 hours each way was what he said.....Interesting


Nice to see you read the whole post .....

Mick

[bender01]

If I brought a title from another Country my assesor would stroke! A bill of sale has about the same result!

[Retro Rocket]

Since when did you become a charity LLoyd,

More than 11000 posts ago, actually.   I guess you only see what appeals to you or supports your dim viewpoint.
But, when's the last time you had something positive to offer, mick?  I honestly can't remember.  Oh nevermind, it really doesn't matter to me anymore.
You know, it doesn't surprise me that you don't know the difference between charity and altruism.  They both must be quite foreign concepts for you.

and that can go both ways buddy.

Ah, you're being facetious.   There is no way I can be your "buddy".  Unless you mean that in a "your whipping boy" sort of way.

I'll give the rest of your posted rubbish all the consideration it is due.  

This thread is getting hilarious ...

Mick

Well, it certainly took an inane and vile turn, no small thanks to you...

Go ahead mick, spew your bile, I'm done with you.  You're just one more person intent on undermining the good intent on this forum.

I'd rather talk with nice Australians and other reasonable, thinking people.

So long...

What a hypocrite.....I offer positive and thought out explanations all the time LLoyd, on the other hand you offer arrogance and politically motivated crap all the time, if you don't like my comments then don't read them. You were wrong with your tyre comments and wrong on the guitar thread as well....having a little tanty are we.... You obviously only reply to what suits your agenda and you hate being wrong , if you would look {and not very hard} you will find plenty of positive comments and in case you haven't noticed there are plenty of guys in this thread that think the same way i do.....Not all opinions have to live up too your expectations mate......


Funny, i just went back and read this whole charade and You and your buddy Tango were the only ones with abusive posts , nice to see you expose yourself like that when it suits you...


Mick

[justme361]

"the bike was sent from italy during a military move. My husbands buddy met a girl in italy. married  her and came back to the states. This girls father would race the bike as a hobby over there. my husbands friend brought it back to the states and gave it to him. my husband drove it a few times then he was deployed to panama. its been in storage ever since. Its not running. Im sure it needs lots of work. Hes gonna have to file for a lost title."

Um, I don't think you have the authority to sell this bike.  Especially if it was imported without a title.  I would really like to hear more about how this bike was imported by someone other than the actual owner.  Do you have any paperwork from customs?  I think I understand the low price now.  If your story is true you would be much better off tearing the bike apart and selling the pieces because no one would ever be able to title it in the U.S. without spending a bunch of money and going through a huge hassle that would involve trying to track down the original owner in Italy!  Good luck with this thing and the person who almost bought it for $200 be happy you walked away.

Scott

um, yes i do have the authority to sell. The military moved it for us.  The military is not gonna pack and move a bike without any info on it mister know it all.  I thought this site was for info not insults and name calling. some of you sound like a bunch of lady's . so anyways the title was transferred in my husbands name and during the many moves has been lost or missed placed. so when we go file for a lost title it will come back in his name. and that does not cost a bunch of money. whats the big deal its a bike thats up for sale? what is so hard to understand? some of you are a bit funny. anyways im out of here.  sooner or later it will be up for sale  on e-bay.  

[scottly]

I still can't figure out just what is for sale??!!

[srook]

"um, yes i do have the authority to sell. The military moved it for us. "

You said your husband's friend brought it back and that he wasn't the owner.  Did the military bring it back for him or you and do you have any paperwork from customs?

"whats the big deal its a bike thats up for sale?"

Yes a bike that may never be able to be legally titled and registered in the U.S.  I would want to know this before I bought it.

"The military is not gonna pack and move a bike without any info on it mister know it all.  I thought this site was for info not insults and name calling."

Its funny that with all the inuendo you chose to take exception to what I brought up as a legitimate concern a future buyer would have.  Why is that?  This site is for information.  Think about how all this sounds:

A vintage cafe bike with such a low price that anyone could afford it, but it's actually not for sale for that low price.  A picture that is probably 20 years old and shows no detail.  Instead KKC comes on here and tries to "get some information" on it while throwing around possible values in 18-20K range.  Then we are informed that the bike will be for sale on ebay.  Only you slip up and tell us the bike doesn't have a title and came from Italy through a marriage and was given to your husband.  WTF?

Good luck on the sale
Scott

[Lavis500]

Please, please, Retro Rocket and TwoTired.  Let us be gentlemen.  We don't have to like each other on here, we only have to like vintage SOHC Honda 4's.    There is no need to get so personal.

Though I don't have 11,810 posts, I've been lurking on this site for over 2 years - far before I ever actually made my first post.  This is by far - BAR NONE - the most hostile thread I've seen here.  Justme, welcome to the forum, and I'm sorry that this is your first impression.  Most of the time these guys are the most helpful, considerate bunch of mechanics you'll ever find.  As so many of them have said: "You meet the nicest people on a Honda."

Due to your location I'm half tempted to come look at the bike myself since I'm at Ft. Hood, but I won't have the time until after the holidays.

[justme361]

"um, yes i do have the authority to sell. The military moved it for us. "

You said your husband's friend brought it back and that he wasn't the owner.  Did the military bring it back for him or you and do you have any paperwork from customs?

"whats the big deal its a bike thats up for sale?"

Yes a bike that may never be able to be legally titled and registered in the U.S.  I would want to know this before I bought it.

"The military is not gonna pack and move a bike without any info on it mister know it all.  I thought this site was for info not insults and name calling."

Its funny that with all the inuendo you chose to take exception to what I brought up as a legitimate concern a future buyer would have.  Why is that?  This site is for information.  Think about how all this sounds:

A vintage cafe bike with such a low price that anyone could afford it, but it's actually not for sale for that low price.  A picture that is probably 20 years old and shows no detail.  Instead KKC comes on here and tries to "get some information" on it while throwing around possible values in 18-20K range.  Then we are informed that the bike will be for sale on ebay.  Only you slip up and tell us the bike doesn't have a title and came from Italy through a marriage and was given to your husband.  WTF?

Good luck on the sale
Scott

 wow, i keep telling myself im not gonna respond to anymore and get off this crazy site. the bike was not for sale on this site. thats why you didnt have all the info. My husband and his friend were stationed in italy together and came back together. when he came back to states  they were sent to the same base in georgia. His friend for a reason that does not matter gave the bike to my husband. what is so hard to believe? whats so hard to believe that we were gonna do a quick sale to get some cash for christmas? And for two hundred dollars its not worth going down town and getting a title. When the guy didnt want it and we were getting calls from all over, yes we decided to see what its worth. If you goggle 76 honda cb 500  then customkingcycle comes up. I asked him for info on this bike.  ok you following?    whats so hard to believe? if i can get 1000 then it will be worth going and filing for a lost title. so anyways yall find something else to blab about. im deleting my profile   so say whatever you want.  if i get 800 then ill be happy.  

[Grnrngr]

I did offer them more, much more.  They are doing their research and will now receive a fair market value. Whether I end up with the bike or not, is out of my control.  I do have an interest in cafe bikes, bobbers, and choppers, mostly Honda SOHC, but I also dabble in Harley Davidson when the numbers make sense.  I mostly buy Harleys from guys that got in over their head and need the cash to feed their family, or keep a roof over their heads. 

Quote from: justme361 on Today at 09:26:00 am
 Why is it so hard to believe what king is saying?  I am the lady that is asking for info about the 76 honda. My husband can no longer ride and looking at this bike everyday knowing he cant ever fix it like he wanted is very depressing. He wanted to just give it to someone that he knew would get it on the rode. With Christmas around the corner, I suggested that we put it on craigslist and get a little for it..

 So apparently since you didn't pay for it (your husbands buddy (who got it from his girlfriends father?) GAVE it to him?) and originally, didn't want hardly anything for it other than to get that good feeling to see it on the ROAD and cure his depression, and you're not in danger of losing your house or need cash to feed your family, king didn't feel right about taking advantage of you like he obviously does with the Harley guys "when the numbers make sense", by buying their bikes for much less than they have paid for them?....Right on! F**k a buncha stupid Harley guys, they probably don't go to church anyway.....There's a Ministry for ya...

I don't know you King, in fact there's only about 6 or 8 folks on here I do know on a face to face level, and they all seem to be stand up folks. Others here have said the same of you so I'm willing to grant that, on a face to face level, you too, are a stand up guy. However, this is not a face to face level, all we have to go on is what you say, and what you say you do. Doesn't sound very stand up to me, and FWIW, as a believer in Christ myself, backslider tho I may be, I find it highly offensive when someone uses Christianity as a marketing ploy.

[Retro Rocket]

http://www.google.com.au/#q=76+honda+cb+500&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=866&prmd=iv&ei=AyL_TMqxPMn4ccWckLEG&start=0&sa=N&fp=e07beb1497fba851

Just googled "76 honda cb 500  and there is no link To "King custom cycles" Not custom king cycles, or both for that matter on the first 10 pages of listings...Doesn't really surprise me because he specialises in 750's not 500's and says so on his site....And he said he "found" it on Craigslist........The plot thickens....

Mick

[justme361]

Can altruism exist in a capitalistic society?

Does a capitalistic society teach the avoidance of altruism?

If you don't know what altruism means, I can probably guess who your teachers were.  

Since when did you become a charity LLoyd, and that can go both ways buddy. KKC took away the charity from at least one member that was going or interested in buying that bike at the price advertised. You see, if no one had butted in then the bike would have gone to a happy buyer and the seller would have been fine as well, now you have a member pissed off about loosing a potential sale, so we have a worse scenario because one of the parties isn't happy.....While trying to make himself sound important to the seller he misinformed them about the bike. He should have said,i'm sorry but i know nothing about the bike.....which obviously he didn't....

2 Friends of mine bought their music shop in the late 70's with the money they got from 2 Vincent Black shadows they were "Given" by an old lady.......Those bikes were worth a small fortune but the lady didn't want a cent for them...I suppose they are cheats as well.....

This thread is getting hilarious ...

Mick

He didnt take it cause its a 500 and not a 550 like we thought it was. And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk and that its not even running. The guy himself said that we should sell the parts that we would make more money off it.  He sounded important by telling me to sell on e-bay??? thats sound childish of you.  Ebay is full of guys that will want this bike and do something with it.  How is that sounding important?  He never told me the bike is worth a fortune. just gave me advice of where to sell it to people that would want it.      

Interesting and ill informed....
King wrote:

I am getting the $18-20K vibe on this one but wanted to put it in front of those that know much more than I.

And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk

And his wife was there too, he said it was too far to go, 20 hours each way was what he said.....Interesting[/glow]


Nice to see you read the whole post .....

Mick

   detective red rocket,    the guy that came out with his wife was from craigs list. he was already in san antonio.   and? your point ??

[Retro Rocket]

Please, please, Retro Rocket and TwoTired.  Let us be gentlemen.  We don't have to like each other on here, we only have to like vintage SOHC Honda 4's.    There is no need to get so personal.

I didn't get personal till his abusive tirade, and i saw no need for what he said, its crap anyway, he has an acid tongue and is well known for it, i agree and disagree with things he has to say, thats my prerogative,  I am only pointing out here what a pile of others have and i still smell something not quite right with this whole thing, there's a lot that just doesn't add up....


Mick

[Retro Rocket]

Can altruism exist in a capitalistic society?

Does a capitalistic society teach the avoidance of altruism?

If you don't know what altruism means, I can probably guess who your teachers were.  

Since when did you become a charity LLoyd, and that can go both ways buddy. KKC took away the charity from at least one member that was going or interested in buying that bike at the price advertised. You see, if no one had butted in then the bike would have gone to a happy buyer and the seller would have been fine as well, now you have a member pissed off about loosing a potential sale, so we have a worse scenario because one of the parties isn't happy.....While trying to make himself sound important to the seller he misinformed them about the bike. He should have said,i'm sorry but i know nothing about the bike.....which obviously he didn't....

2 Friends of mine bought their music shop in the late 70's with the money they got from 2 Vincent Black shadows they were "Given" by an old lady.......Those bikes were worth a small fortune but the lady didn't want a cent for them...I suppose they are cheats as well.....

This thread is getting hilarious ...

Mick

He didnt take it cause its a 500 and not a 550 like we thought it was. And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk and that its not even running. The guy himself said that we should sell the parts that we would make more money off it.  He sounded important by telling me to sell on e-bay??? thats sound childish of you.  Ebay is full of guys that will want this bike and do something with it.  How is that sounding important?  He never told me the bike is worth a fortune. just gave me advice of where to sell it to people that would want it.      

Interesting and ill informed....
King wrote:

I am getting the $18-20K vibe on this one but wanted to put it in front of those that know much more than I.

And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk

And his wife was there too, he said it was too far to go, 20 hours each way was what he said.....Interesting[/glow]


Nice to see you read the whole post .....

Mick

  detective red rocket,    the guy that came out with his wife was from craigs list. he was already in san antonio.   and? your point ??

My point is , go reread what you said, because that is what i posted, it was a quote of yours....  Actually, who cares, i made the simple point that it was no special kit bike or anything and it was never going to be worth 18-20 grand and that if your new mate is going to continue telling folks on Craigs list or ebay that they are selling these Honda's too cheap he won't be very well regarded around here. There are plenty of "barn finds" here that were a bargain and your Buddy KKC seems to think we are all cheats....his words...

This thread is bordering on farcical  Does it make you feel good to call people names.?....

Mick

[Grnrngr]

So...Justme, getting back to basics..What's it worth?  Obviously more than $200, and as far as the guys wife looking at it like it's junk, well, my wife thinks all my stuff is junk  not an unusual ploy to try to get the seller to come down off the (already low) price a bit, don't let it worry you. Typically a bike without a title is only worth 1/4-1/2 the value of the same bike WITH a title, so if you can get one I'd encourage you to do so. Probably worth a couple grand, maybe more, titled and running, and it might not take much to get it running, there are probably folks in your area who would actually help you with it instead of just giving opinions. Might be worth a grand+ to the right person titled but not running, maybe even a grand to the right person, no title and not running, kinda depends on how long you want to wait for that person and how bad you want it out of the garage. The 5-10 grand thing would be for a bike with proof that the engine and frame were, in fact, race equipment, possibly 20-40 if it was race ready. I am curious, have you checked the VIN or engine numbers to see if it is something special? The ebay guys are right, you could probably get a lot more if you wanted to take the time to part it out, title or not, but it does take more time and effort and it would seem a shame to take it apart. If you do sell it whole on ebay, I'd encourage you to be very forthright about it's current condition and do some more research on it..if someone buys it expecting a racer and it's just another honda with some goodies on it, you might get some negative feedback. I do wish you the best with it, I think it is a very cool looking bike, I think your intentions were good to begin with and I'm sorry your experience here turned out this way, as someone else mentioned, we haven't had such an "exciting" thread in quite a while.

[BruceDeuce]

Can altruism exist in a capitalistic society?


wow for someone new to this forum you seem to have mastered how to use it, triple quotes and all.
Does a capitalistic society teach the avoidance of altruism?

If you don't know what altruism means, I can probably guess who your teachers were.  

Since when did you become a charity LLoyd, and that can go both ways buddy. KKC took away the charity from at least one member that was going or interested in buying that bike at the price advertised. You see, if no one had butted in then the bike would have gone to a happy buyer and the seller would have been fine as well, now you have a member pissed off about loosing a potential sale, so we have a worse scenario because one of the parties isn't happy.....While trying to make himself sound important to the seller he misinformed them about the bike. He should have said,i'm sorry but i know nothing about the bike.....which obviously he didn't....

2 Friends of mine bought their music shop in the late 70's with the money they got from 2 Vincent Black shadows they were "Given" by an old lady.......Those bikes were worth a small fortune but the lady didn't want a cent for them...I suppose they are cheats as well.....

This thread is getting hilarious ...

Mick

He didnt take it cause its a 500 and not a 550 like we thought it was. And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk and that its not even running. The guy himself said that we should sell the parts that we would make more money off it.  He sounded important by telling me to sell on e-bay??? thats sound childish of you.  Ebay is full of guys that will want this bike and do something with it.  How is that sounding important?  He never told me the bike is worth a fortune. just gave me advice of where to sell it to people that would want it.      

Interesting and ill informed....
King wrote:

I am getting the $18-20K vibe on this one but wanted to put it in front of those that know much more than I.

And his wife was there the whole time talking about how it was junk

And his wife was there too, he said it was too far to go, 20 hours each way was what he said.....Interesting[/glow]


Nice to see you read the whole post .....

Mick

   detective red rocket,    the guy that came out with his wife was from craigs list. he was already in san antonio.   and? your point ??

[BruceDeuce]

"um, yes i do have the authority to sell. The military moved it for us. "

You said your husband's friend brought it back and that he wasn't the owner.  Did the military bring it back for him or you and do you have any paperwork from customs?

"whats the big deal its a bike thats up for sale?"

Yes a bike that may never be able to be legally titled and registered in the U.S.  I would want to know this before I bought it.

"The military is not gonna pack and move a bike without any info on it mister know it all.  I thought this site was for info not insults and name calling."

Its funny that with all the inuendo you chose to take exception to what I brought up as a legitimate concern a future buyer would have.  Why is that?  This site is for information.  Think about how all this sounds:

A vintage cafe bike with such a low price that anyone could afford it, but it's actually not for sale for that low price.  A picture that is probably 20 years old and shows no detail.  Instead KKC comes on here and tries to "get some information" on it while throwing around possible values in 18-20K range.  Then we are informed that the bike will be for sale on ebay.  Only you slip up and tell us the bike doesn't have a title and came from Italy through a marriage and was given to your husband.  WTF?

Good luck on the sale
Scott

 wow, i keep telling myself im not gonna respond to anymore and get off this crazy site. the bike was not for sale on this site. thats why you didnt have all the info. My husband and his friend were stationed in italy together and came back together. when he came back to states  they were sent to the same base in georgia. His friend for a reason that does not matter gave the bike to my husband. what is so hard to believe? whats so hard to believe that we were gonna do a quick sale to get some cash for christmas? And for two hundred dollars its not worth going down town and getting a title. When the guy didnt want it and we were getting calls from all over, yes we decided to see what its worth. If you goggle 76 honda cb 500  then customkingcycle comes up. I asked him for info on this bike.  ok you following?    whats so hard to believe? if i can get 1000 then it will be worth going and filing for a lost title. so anyways yall find something else to blab about. im deleting my profile   so say whatever you want.  if i get 800 then ill be happy.  

BYE KING

[justme361]

So...Justme, getting back to basics..What's it worth?  Obviously more than $200, and as far as the guys wife looking at it like it's junk, well, my wife thinks all my stuff is junk  not an unusual ploy to try to get the seller to come down off the (already low) price a bit, don't let it worry you. Typically a bike without a title is only worth 1/4-1/2 the value of the same bike WITH a title, so if you can get one I'd encourage you to do so. Probably worth a couple grand, maybe more, titled and running, and it might not take much to get it running, there are probably folks in your area who would actually help you with it instead of just giving opinions. Might be worth a grand+ to the right person titled but not running, maybe even a grand to the right person, no title and not running, kinda depends on how long you want to wait for that person and how bad you want it out of the garage. The 5-10 grand thing would be for a bike with proof that the engine and frame were, in fact, race equipment, possibly 20-40 if it was race ready. I am curious, have you checked the VIN or engine numbers to see if it is something special? The ebay guys are right, you could probably get a lot more if you wanted to take the time to part it out, title or not, but it does take more time and effort and it would seem a shame to take it apart. If you do sell it whole on ebay, I'd encourage you to be very forthright about it's current condition and do some more research on it..if someone buys it expecting a racer and it's just another honda with some goodies on it, you might get some negative feedback. I do wish you the best with it, I think it is a very cool looking bike, I think your intentions were good to begin with and I'm sorry your experience here turned out this way, as someone else mentioned, we haven't had such an "exciting" thread in quite a while.

thanks for the info.  How would i go about finding info about the vin and engine numbers?  I cant find any web site helpful to bikes that are older than 1980 or so.

[MoMo]

Justine,   try this   http://www.motorera.com/honda/index.htm.   Best of luck if you decide to sell, Larry

[justme361]

Justine,   try this   http://www.motorera.com/honda/index.htm.   Best of luck if you decide to sell, Larry

thanks,  ill try that

[KingCustomCycles.com]

The vin number will be on the steering neck below the handlebars.  There should be a riveted plate on one side and stamped numbers on the other.  They should match.  The engine number will be stamped into the crankcase but I am not sure where on the CB500.  I hope this helps.

[domer]

cb500 motor vin is just above the clutch cover iirr...
 wow im sick for 3 days and BLAM...
oh and the no title thing will scare tons of people off since in some states, no title = never registered again... others like cali, no title means a trip to the dmv, and $75...

[Hannibal Smith]

King, meaning no harm, "Blue Skyed*" a bike's worth that he knew nothing about.
The "value" was an outrageous figure of 18+ thousand dollars.

A big mess ensued. The guy that dreams for the "Barn Find" felt cheated by King's actions, and others felt is was correct that King would tell the seller it was worth more than the asking price.

It went wrong when King's "good deed" was based on no information and a "value" pulled from an outer friggen space.

It went sour for me when he invoked the name of Jesus, to justify his mistake. The more information that is brought to light, we see the "value" decrease from the outrageous initial figure.

I hope the seller and buyer are totally pleased with the outcome.

Anyway, I apologize for acting like a complete jerk in my offensive previous posts, but this was a good thread!

* Blue Sky is a military term for requesting something outrageous in the hopes you might be met halfway...."We need 20 gunships on this mission" hoping you might just get 2 of them!