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My very first bike ever
« on: December 07, 2010, 06:09:28 PM »
So this is the very first bike ive ever own. Picked it up for 600 bucks. It is a 72 honda cb 750 with a 76 motor, at least thats what the previous owner told me. It ran fine when I got it but on the way home started giving me problems. It seems that the motor is only running on cylinder 3 and 4. I just installed a dyna s ignition along with dyna coils and dyna wires. I also just got carb build kits for the bike. Once I get it running right, I plan on turning it into a cafe racer. Any ideas for inspiration is welcome seeing how this is my first bike :)

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 06:29:38 PM »
Welcome to the club!!!

Nice Start.........and already your a bargain FINDER!

1 & 2 down together = carbs, plugs, wires...........compression check and leak-down test.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 06:34:50 PM »
Nice score!  You have some original parts on that bike that you can sell to help fund your cafe project. 
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 06:39:20 PM »
Did it ever run on all 4?

BTW Welcome and good looking bargain.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 06:44:54 PM »
yea im hoping its carbs because i already pretty much ruled out ignition

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 06:46:08 PM »
Did it ever run on all 4?

BTW Welcome and good looking bargain.

Yea when i was first riding it home it was running on all 4. But it did have a leaky carb when it was running on all 4

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 06:46:51 PM »
Welcome.

Sounds like you may have a carb issue. These old Hondas can be tough to tune with the pod air filters you have.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 06:50:12 PM »
yea im hoping its carbs because i already pretty much ruled out ignition
Yes, probably not ignition cuz, they are paired 1&4 and 2&3.

So, humor me and when you get a chance, take the rear intake tappet cover off of #1 and #4, hit the kill switch and spin it over with the starter. See that the tappets are both going up and down.

On very rare cases, especially after an engine rebuild, an oil line can plug and the cam twists in half and you're left with an engine running on 3&4. So lets rule that out quickly.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 07:03:50 PM »
yea im hoping its carbs because i already pretty much ruled out ignition
Yes, probably not ignition cuz, they are paired 1&4 and 2&3.

So, humor me and when you get a chance, take the rear intake tappet cover off of #1 and #4, hit the kill switch and spin it over with the starter. See that the tappets are both going up and down.

On very rare cases, especially after an engine rebuild, an oil line can plug and the cam twists in half and you're left with an engine running on 3&4. So lets rule that out quickly.

Well that wouldn't be good. I'll check the next time its not 10 degrees outside . . .

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 08:17:10 PM »
I saw that bike on craigslist ;D   Bet you were freezing your ass off driving it home, in this lovely
Wisconsin weather!

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2010, 11:52:08 AM »
I saw that bike on craigslist ;D   Bet you were freezing your ass off driving it home, in this lovely
Wisconsin weather!

Well my friend was riding it home for me but he definitely wasnt warm . . . . He had like 6 layers on. I think he was happy when it stopped working on the side of the free way . . .

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 04:51:16 PM »
You got a great deal! I can not wait to see what you do with it!

Mc are you talking about the cam itself being broken in half?
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 05:29:57 PM »
You got a great deal! I can not wait to see what you do with it!

Mc are you talking about the cam itself being broken in half?
Yes. What happens is the oil line to one side or the other gets plugged. One half of the cam (either the 1-2, or the 3-4 side) seizes in the bearing, the engine keeps firing on the remaining two cylinders and twists the cam in half, usually with an audible "Ping!". Then it just keeps running on the 2 cylinders that survive.

Its happened to me, and to at least 3 people on this forum since I've been here 2.5 years. I sold an extra camshaft to one poor soul. I've known of at least 2 others in my time on earth.

Usually its a spec of silicone gasket sealer, after a rebuild, that comes loose and lodges in the oil feed hole at the cylinder head where it feeds the camblock/bearing. It can be other debris as well.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 05:35:39 PM »
While it can be the cam I would say that is definitely a worst case scenario and not the most likely culprit (although it IS worth checking) More likely it has been sitting on side stand so long that when riding home the 2 carbs had some mung dislodge and plug them up.

Drain the bowls on all 4 carbs but especially 1,2 and see what comes out )if anything). Any difference in firing at idle vs more than 1/3 throttle or so? Does choke make a difference?

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 05:38:57 PM »
While it can be the cam I would say that is definitely a worst case scenario and not the most likely culprit (although it IS worth checking) More likely it has been sitting on side stand so long that when riding home the 2 carbs had some mung dislodge and plug them up.

Drain the bowls on all 4 carbs but especially 1,2 and see what comes out )if anything). Any difference in firing at idle vs more than 1/3 throttle or so? Does choke make a difference?

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Agreed, its just something to eliminate. Probably the carbs.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2010, 08:44:40 PM »
Thanks for the reply I had never heard of one breaking.

Yes I agree it is most likely carburetor trouble too, if it will run you can spray a very small amount of carb cleaner/starter fluid into the throat of the dead cylinders carb and then start the engine just to see if it will fire, you will be able to hear the rpm difference. just a real quick way to see if it is the carbs. just a small quick spray though, I would not recommend that you keep spraying it or anything, and it would be easy with the filters you have but make sure to put the filter back on before you start it in case it backfires.
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2010, 05:16:10 AM »
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2010, 08:12:07 AM »
Well time to get in over my head. Any advice to a new guy?

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2010, 08:38:00 AM »
Well time to get in over my head. Any advice to a new guy?


I posted this reply after digging into my own carbs for the first time.  Probably a couple nuggets of good info in there:

"There are obviously mixed reviews about carbs being easy or difficult to work on, but as long as you do one at a time (and leave at least one carb intact as a rebuild example) you really can't get into any trouble.  Before you start, buy a rebuild kit that includes gaskets and o-rings, I promise you'll rip and/or break some as you take the set apart. 

Take your time upon disassembly so as not to damage any of the soft brass parts.  Buy a gallon of carb cleaner or Simple Green at home depot and make a 50/50 solution to soak the parts in.  Don't soak any rubber parts you want to salvage in the cleaner.  The great thing about those genius Japanese engineers is they designed much of these bikes so you can't put parts in the wrong spot.  Every piece has it's own place.

While the parts from the first set are soaking, start working on the second set.  Keep organized with muffin trays (not my wife's favorite) or something similar.   Before reassembly, make sure all the jets are clear of debris by blowing compressed air through the pathways.  Those cans of air for cleaning your computer are cheap and work well if you don't have a compressor.  The pathways really are the most important component of the cleaning process.  They can look clean as a whistle on the surface, but a clogged jet will leave you scratching your head when trying to run the bike.

Adjust your float level carefully to spec and put it all back together with your new gaskets.  Spray a bit of WD40 on the inside of the bowls to protect your hard work in the event they end up sitting on the bench for another month or so.

Bench sync the set to ensure that the linkage is engaging each carb evenly.  A vacuum sync will probably be a good move after you reassemble the bike.

Good luck with the bike!"
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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2010, 11:58:16 PM »
Your bike looks really good for that price. I am on my first sohc/classic bike and I know very little about it as well. Just having the balls to dig into the carbs seems to be a pretty solid start. I had a similar problem, and seafoam cleared it up.
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 07:11:43 AM »
Nice find. Hope you get it sorted out. If you need help with the carbs, do a search on the forums. Lots of food advice from the people that know. I don't know where in Wisconsin you live however it looks like we have a cold spell that is going to last a while. Hope you have a garage to work on it in.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2010, 09:47:05 AM »
Lots of food advice from the people that know.

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2010, 04:59:14 PM »
and the carbs are out!

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Re: My very first bike ever
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 08:16:31 PM »
ok so I finally put some work in.

Here are the carbs on the cleaning table


Parts are clean and ready to go back together with new parts


And carbs back together


Now time to put them back on the bike

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 07:30:45 AM »
Nice work.  Did you have any problems with the carbs?  How dirty were they?