Author Topic: Vintage Motorcycle Pics (Read 71769 times)

MoMo · « **Reply #225 on:** March 16, 2011, 10:26:16 AM »

Quote from: weekend_junkie on March 16, 2011, 08:02:37 AM

This recently made its way into my garage and I think it qualifies as vintage. 1949-ish frame and motor with some later parts here and there. No swingarm on this baby... I may need a kidney belt.

Awesome find. Was it cruising down the street and made a turn into your garage? More info, please...Larry

weekend_junkie · « **Reply #226 on:** March 16, 2011, 10:51:47 AM »

Quote from: photolar on March 16, 2011, 10:26:16 AM

Awesome find. Was it cruising down the street and made a turn into your garage? More info, please...Larry

This is good quality motorbike, best parts from great soviet nation of Russia.

Not much story that I can tell you, as this is the first non-Honda bike I've ever owned. I've been learning a LOT from sovietsteeds.com and learned that it is a congolmeration of 'newer' (ha!) bodyparts but apparently a VERY early 1st generation Russian frame and engine, komplete with a reverse gear that appears to simply be missing a lever. I need to do some title work (I live in NJ so wish me luck), get a 6V battery, and tune her up. I got it from a guy who says that he bought this because he couldn't find a reasonably priced US Army Jeep. Now all I need to do it find a way to get an open carry permit for a machine gun on the sidecar...

In Soviet New Jersey, hobbies work on YOU!

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #227 on:** March 16, 2011, 11:02:28 AM »

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Now all I need to do it find a way to get an open carry permit for a machine gun on the sidecar...

If you succeed

you might want to not plan any road trips to Fort Dix.

Stretch · « **Reply #228 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »

Quote from: Schmthaus on December 23, 2010, 11:10:45 AM

Love this bike, 1934 Crocker...

If you're in Maggie Valley NC, the Wheels of Time motorcycle museum has one. If its open and you stroke the owner/owner's son, he'll do a 40' burnout right through the middle of the museum. I was there a couple years ago and he said they had taken it to the dragstrip the year before and won the class. IIRC he said it puts out about 90hp, it was built to beat the Indians and Harleys.

Last year the museum was only open selected weekends so call ahead.

Jordan · « **Reply #229 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:22:02 PM »

At the end of WWII the Russians pretty much dismantled the BMW factory and took it back the the motherland as war booty. They and the ChiComs have been making them there pseudo-beemers ever since. At least that's what the history books say.

MoMo · « **Reply #230 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:35:17 PM »

Quote from: Jordan on March 16, 2011, 05:22:02 PM

At the end of WWII the Russians pretty much dismantled the BMW factory and took it back the the motherland as war booty. They and the ChiComs have been making them there pseudo-beemers ever since. At least that's what the history books say.

That's what I hear, took everything to the Ural Mountains, hence the name...Larry

scottly · « **Reply #231 on:** March 16, 2011, 08:28:36 PM »

Quote from: weekend_junkie on March 16, 2011, 08:02:37 AM

No swingarm on this baby... I may need a kidney belt.

That's a plunger-type rear suspension. The axle moves up and down on coil springs, but there is no damping, save for friction. My '53 BSA twin had the same type setup.

weekend_junkie · « **Reply #232 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:45:16 AM »

Quote from: photolar on March 16, 2011, 05:35:17 PM

Quote from: Jordan on March 16, 2011, 05:22:02 PM
At the end of WWII the Russians pretty much dismantled the BMW factory and took it back the the motherland as war booty. They and the ChiComs have been making them there pseudo-beemers ever since. At least that's what the history books say.

That's what I hear, took everything to the Ural Mountains, hence the name...Larry

This tells a slighty different version, but you know what they say about history book authors!

http://www.imz-ural.com/factory/

MoMo · « **Reply #233 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:05:21 PM »

Seems like the Russians either dismantled the plant or bought some motorcycles and dismantled them-either way they stole the design. Did the same thing with Leica and Hasselblad cameras

...Larry

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #234 on:** March 18, 2011, 10:37:14 PM »

Quote from: weekend_junkie on March 16, 2011, 08:02:37 AM

This recently made its way into my garage and I think it qualifies as vintage. 1949-ish frame and motor with some later parts here and there. No swingarm on this baby... I may need a kidney belt.

Well... much of that is in shadow on my old computer, but I'd bet a nickel that's a Chang Jiang. Lately eBay is packed with Changs being passed off as BMW's, too.
Good luck getting a title, and don't plan any long rides,
and "NO"- none of the parts interchange with BMW.

Big hug now -

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #235 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:02:35 PM »

Quote from: Ichiban 4 on December 26, 2010, 08:47:26 PM

Quote from: Japanese Industrial Standard Schmthaus on December 26, 2010, 06:13:08 PM

Anyone think this one is real?

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Just a guess..but I'd say it's not actual/real. The locomotive looks to be an early 1900's Baldwin..and the bike a teens vintage..

The state of photography then wasn't advanced enough to capture stop action like that..I believe. The motorcycle would have been quite blurred..if it was going fast enough to make that jump. The landing angle seems a bit low also. My guess: that the bike pic was superimposed on the locomotive pic.

Be interested to see what others "analysis" of the pic is..

Ichi

Going back a ways here;

First of all, they didn't have computers- they did work in the darkroom. That could easily be a double negative or the surounding area being so clear, it could easily be burned in- especially if they were using a larger format negative like 4x5 or 8x10.

However, it would be quite easy for someone with knowledge of modern technology to add the bike and make it look original. For instance, who would assume this is completely Photoshopped?;

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #236 on:** March 18, 2011, 11:15:56 PM »

I was a float in our local Mardis Gras parade;

Gee. Come to think of it- I'm older than my so-called "vintage" motorcycle...

faux fiddy · « **Reply #237 on:** March 19, 2011, 02:47:09 AM »

My friend's uncle- Probably about 1941. No photoshop here, that's a real faring.

faux fiddy · « **Reply #238 on:** March 19, 2011, 02:51:38 AM »

Quote from: scottly on March 16, 2011, 08:28:36 PM

Quote from: weekend_junkie on March 16, 2011, 08:02:37 AM
No swingarm on this baby... I may need a kidney belt.

That's a plunger-type rear suspension. The axle moves up and down on coil springs, but there is no damping, save for friction. My '53 BSA twin had the same type setup.

Another inherent problem with the design is that the springs don't compress at the same rate on both sides, causing the axle to tilt.

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #239 on:** March 19, 2011, 04:53:34 AM »

I drove a BMW R67/2 sidecar rig from San Francisco to Montana, and the frame was similar. No problems in the handling department at all. In fact, I feel the plunger-framed rig was the best handling sidecar set-up I've ever driven.

754 · « **Reply #240 on:** March 19, 2011, 09:31:29 AM »

I assume that was with Earls type forks?.. they work well with hacks..

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #241 on:** March 19, 2011, 03:09:58 PM »

The Earls fork was from 1955 to 1968. There is debate regarding who introduced telescopic forks to PRODUCTION bikes first; Nimbus or BMW. Obviously, BMW had biger numbers.

An example of the bike is on page 2 of this thread; 1952 R67/2 (600cc)

The actual rig is pictured on page 2 (with me in the blue coveralls), and here;

weekend_junkie · « **Reply #242 on:** March 20, 2011, 07:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on March 18, 2011, 10:37:14 PM

Well... much of that is in shadow on my old computer, but I'd bet a nickel that's a Chang Jiang. Lately eBay is packed with Changs being passed off as BMW's, too.
Good luck getting a title, and don't plan any long rides,
and "NO"- none of the parts interchange with BMW.

Big hug now -

From all I have read so far, you owe me a nickel. The perfect triangle trusses (#1 why not a Chang) in the rear of the frame are an exclusive 1940's Russian design improvement from the original BMW cloning for the severe terrain. Also, the motor is an EARLY M-72 motor with 6V electric and reverse (incredibly rare and #2 why not a Chang). Lastly, the head looks like the Chang head and that may have been what tipped you off, but it is different because it is fully vented whereas the Chang has a solid face on the head.

BUT I'd be happy to see what info you have if it says otherwise. It's a real adventure just learning about this bike.

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #243 on:** March 20, 2011, 10:16:10 PM »

If you Google "Jimbo'sSidecars", this man spends tons of time in China and his business is taking the Chinese frams and putting BMW lumps in there.
If you research Chang Jiang, you will note the frame gussets just fore of the plunger shocks. the heads look the same (to me anyway) and they also share what looks similar to old Bing carbs. The examples on eBay recently have the same tank and control levers.
Usually they're offered as BMW R72.

Here's a picture of one of Jimbo's customs using the stock engine. Is it different from yours? As i said- my screen is pretty dark, so I miss some details.

http://www.changjiangunlimited.com/2007-B/07-0612-Jim-1001.jpg

weekend_junkie · « **Reply #244 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:00:56 AM »

Yep, different on all counts.

Jordan · « **Reply #245 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:20:31 AM »

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #246 on:** March 21, 2011, 04:06:07 PM »

Being involved with sidecars for almost 40 years, I'd like to learn something here.
Is there any way I can get a bigger sideshot of that rig that's reasonably well lit?
Send it via e-mail even.

weekend_junkie · « **Reply #247 on:** March 21, 2011, 05:29:34 PM »

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on March 21, 2011, 04:06:07 PM

Being involved with sidecars for almost 40 years, I'd like to learn something here.
Is there any way I can get a bigger sideshot of that rig that's reasonably well lit?
Send it via e-mail even.

Sure thing, I'll have to snap a few for you. My bike garage is 'off premises', so you'll have to wait until the weekend. I've only been doing the sidecar thing for about year, but this already my third rig!

I'll include a link to my discuss thread over at SovietSteeds in the mean time:
http://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16260

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #248 on:** March 21, 2011, 07:02:59 PM »

Good read there. So i was sort of right sometimes...

It's a bitsa according to those folks. When I get those side shot's, I'll submit the body to my own set of forensic mechanics. They are currently in quite an uproar about Changs advertised as M-72's or other BMWesque rigs- right down to the paint jobs and tank badges.

dave500 · « **Reply #249 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:36:51 PM »

Quote from: Jordan on March 21, 2011, 09:20:31 AM

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Author Topic: Vintage Motorcycle Pics (Read 71769 times)