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bollingball

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2010, 11:49:45 AM »
If you have not used a torch on a carb before I would not learn on a good one try some PB blaster let it sit a hour or overnite it should pull out just don't squish to hard then try the hot water (oil first then water)

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2010, 11:51:54 AM »
Ultrasonic cleaner loosened them up enough, finally got them out. Definetly replacing these. It appears whoever last went through these carbs decided that some of the o rings just werent worth reinstalling, LOL

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2010, 02:51:56 PM »
Now this is real interesting to me, and I'm getting back to that adjustment screw.  Because I was in the process of putting a set of 46A carbs back together and planned on bringing them in the house today to do a bench synch on them this was of great interest to me.

So I dug around and found the exploded view of the carbs that came with the rebuild-gasket kits I bought and sure enough, it shows, moving from the slotted end of the adjustment screw toward the pointy end.  First the spring, then the metal washer, then the rubber O-ring.  This is a reverse of what has been suggested by others.

Also, seeing as how I have two sets of carbs and one of them, the one off the low milage bike, had no indication that anyone had ever taken the carbs apart, I had something to go back and take apart to see how Mother-Honda thought it should have been put together on the factory floor. 

They were in the order noted above, spring on screw first, metal washer on top of spring, then rubber O-ring last.  I also noticed, on pulling all 4 of the 30+ year old O-rings out that each one of them had a good consistent pattern of distortion of the O-ring where it had sealed the chamber as it crushed into essentially an inverted bowl shape.  In that case the washer is used to protect the top of the O-ring from being torn up by the last turn of the spring.

So, based on the diagram I have in hand and the fact the the apparently factory stock carbs were put together in the order mentioned above I disregarded the advice given here and reassembled the carbs as noted.
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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2010, 03:53:05 PM »
So I ran across a set of rebuilt 77' F carbs, and I was wondering what kind of fitment issues I would run into trying to run them on my 77 K bike?

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2010, 02:15:06 AM »
Never did that myself. Measure where air enters and exits same OD? Seems like I read the F's may be larger.Just bringing you to the top. Maybe someone else knows?

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2010, 12:52:09 PM »
The 77F's will fit right in.  The main difference is jet size.

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2010, 08:13:35 PM »
Yeah, I picked up a set off here, freshly rebuilt w/ pods, and jetted to 120 for them. The 750 does not have stock exhaust and was jetted way lean before so this may be the ticket. I really need to post pics of this baby. Right now we have the headlight apart trying to fix the PO's wiring job. He used wire nuts!!!!

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2010, 08:17:03 PM »
So what are you doing with your other carbs?  I'm a PD junky who's always looking for a fix if you are looking to part with them.

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Re: Help, can't identify carbs/ mystery springs!
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2010, 08:19:19 PM »
They are disassembled, bagged separately, and in a box for now. I would have no problem keeping these but I couldn't find a rebuild kit, and the vendors I emailed said they were out until feb. If you are interested, feel free to PM me!