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Offline Patrick

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What do I look for in a fork spring?
« on: March 24, 2006, 10:56:24 PM »
I just put new shocks on my 1975 CB750K. The difference in the ride is awesome. So awesome, in fact, that the front - formerly thought to be firm - is obviously in need of the same type of attention. So I fiigure I'll replace the fork springs and oil seals to freshen up the front end. My question: I wouldn't know a good fork spring from the right salad fork. What makes a good spring and where can I find them? Advice anyone?

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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2006, 06:50:56 AM »
I just went throught the same thing with my 750 last fall. I thought the ride was pretty good, until new rear shocks really brought out the deficiencies in the front forks.

I fiddled around with different weight fork oils and compared OEM fork springs to Progessive ones. I even replaced the fork piston seals thinking they must be worn out (turns out they weren't..). My big "Eureka" moment was when I learned it's spring tension- not fork oil viscosity that controls ride stiffness (fork oil impacts the rate of dampening or rebounding as the fork tries to return to it's full length after going over a bump).

This being said, I'd start by measuring the free length of your existing fork springs and checking it against the spec in the shop manual. If they fall short, it's time for new springs or you need to add preload. I like the progressive springs as you can preload them more, yet the progressive coils soak up the little bumps (preserving your fillings!) while tightening up as the suspension is worked harder. Progressive springs come with little pieces of pipe that are put in under the fork plug bolts to load the springs up. You can also expiriment with the preload by adding washers that are the same diameter as the springs. If the ride is too soft, add a few. If too stiff, take a couple out. The ATF specified by Honda as fork oil works well, as well as a light-weight Bel-Ray fork oil (I think I am currently running 7wt.. I gotta check). If you decide to experiment with different fork oils, most well-stocked bike dealers will carry a range of different weights. As for springs, I bought my Progressive springs through Dennis Kirk.

Hope this helps!
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2006, 07:37:37 AM »
Nice curves?   ;D

Couldn't resist...


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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2006, 11:57:04 AM »
Tanks, Jonesy. That's very helpful. A couple more questions, please. Are there good and bads brands of progressive springs that you know of? I've pretty much decided that I want new springs. The ones in this bike, considering its mysterious, but poorly maintained, prior life, are almost certainly original 31-year-old OEM, used since then in either this bike or another. The shocks were stock and also probably continuously used since the 70s, although considering their exterior condition they sat a lot. The new shocks I picked up from Tim on Ebay at:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vintage-Honda-CB-750-550-400-350-New-Boge-Rear-Shocks_W0QQitemZ4624208114QQcategoryZ35592QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

after seeing them on this board last week. They are nice. It rides like... like the butt end of a new bike. Everything else back there was new already. Now I need springs to brink the front of it back. I want something very nice, but I'm not going to be racing it or driving it around the world this year, so I don't want to break the bank. Few more years. Then the bigs bucks and the world.

Also, do you know if I should adjust fork oil weight for climate? It's been mostly in the 70's here all winter, but the upcoming summer promises a string of triple digit burners. In what climate did 7 wt. work well for you?

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Patrick   
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1982 VF750S Sabre
1987 VT1100 Shadow
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1969 Yamaha DT1B
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2006, 03:51:28 PM »
I'm not aware of any "bad" brands, per se... The only springs I know of that are available are the OEM Honda repacements and the ones offered by Progressive Suspension Co. There might be other aftermarket springs out there, but others will have to chime in if they know of any. Technically, as long as the measured free length is within spec, they should be usable.

I double checked and I had been running Bel-Ray 15wt. fork oil. I ride in Michigan, where the temps can be anywhere from mid-40's to 90+. I can't recall the approximate weight of ATF (I've been told what it is before, I think it's around 12 or so...) but I bought the 15 Wt since it was the next higher weight (from ATF) as I wanted just a bit more viscosity.
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2006, 05:30:36 PM »
I would look for "springy-ness" and also the abundance of coils, travelling from top to bottem in a spiral type pattern...  "springy ness" was, a distant relation of nessie herself who, of course is well known for inhabiting loch-ness in scotland UK.
Like all of the "ness" clan, she was distinguishable ( but spelt properly) for being a lot like other prehistoric creatures in so much as being "THIN AT ONE END, THICKER IN THE MIDDLE, AND THICKER AT THE OTHER END" which is NOT however, what one would normally expect to see in the properties of a half decent fork spring.
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2006, 08:37:36 PM »
I would look for "springy-ness" and also the abundance of coils, travelling from top to bottem in a spiral type pattern...  "springy ness" was, a distant relation of nessie herself who, of course is well known for inhabiting loch-ness in scotland UK.
Like all of the "ness" clan, she was distinguishable ( but spelt properly) for being a lot like other prehistoric creatures in so much as being "THIN AT ONE END, THICKER IN THE MIDDLE, AND THICKER AT THE OTHER END" which is NOT however, what one would normally expect to see in the properties of a half decent fork spring.
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I too, could not resist.
They should be round in general too. ;) :D
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2006, 10:24:15 PM »
Can't say for the 750, but I replaced the rear shocks on my 550 with Progressive 12 Series and there 95/140 springs and also replaced the front fork springs with Progressive springs.  With just replacing the rears the front was  really sloppy.  After I replaced the front the bike was awsome.  I think the fronts are 36/70 but not 100% sure on that.  I've actually just ordered 75/120 rear springs as the rear is abit stiff for me.  So I'll swap in the new springs and see how I like it. 

GOTO www.progressivesuspension.com to get your part numbers and then order them from here.  Best prices I've found bar none:  http://www.accwhse.com/progress.htm#Shock%20springs
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2006, 09:09:42 AM »
Thanks, Chris. That's what I was looking for.
1970 CB750 K0
1982 VF750S Sabre
1987 VT1100 Shadow
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1969 Yamaha DT1B
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Re: What do I look for in a fork spring?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2006, 01:52:00 PM »
Check out Bike Bandit, bikebandit.com, they have great part selection and great pricing.  I have ordered progressive replacement shocks from them, the shipping to Canada was only $25 via Fed Ex!  Anyhoo check em out I think you'll be happy.