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Offline stueveone

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Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« on: January 04, 2011, 11:17:07 PM »
Hey guys,
First off, HONDAMAN'S book is INCREDIBLE!!! Pick up a copy if you haven't already. What a tremendous resource!

Hondaman recommends reboring the cylinders for getting more performance. Are new pistons also necessary? If so, I think I'm just going to bite the bullet on the 836 kit. . . Man, this build cost is shooting up!


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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 11:38:21 PM »
Re-boring requires pistons to fit.
Since Honda pistons and rings are far from cheap, the 836 kit is not a huge added expense over what you would need to pay.
However... yes, reboring is the way to go to restore performance to a worn engine. Is yours actually worn to where it needs a rebore? Once you have the engine apart have the cylinders measured by a good shop. If they're within wear spec and round (cylinders worn oval don't seat new rings very well) then get a new set of rings, set the end gap properly, run a cylinder hone through the bores to roughen up the surface for ring seating. If the pistons are worn out you're looking at a big price tag anyhow so again the 836 kit may be the best option. Check the valve guides for wear and replace if neede, try just lapping the valves if not: a nice even polished ring around each valve and seat says all should be well. For a valve job should new guides be needed cut as little as possible from the seats and avoid grinding the valves - they are stellite coated, a very thin hardened surface meaning grinding them gets into the softer steel which will not last as long as new valves with an intact stellite coating.
Once you do an 836 kit the cylinder sleeves are done; you don't have an overbore available if you manage to wear out the bores again. With the usual mileage our bikes get though, this shouldn't be a problem. Replacement sleeves are available for that far off day anyway and hopefully will still be made then.

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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 06:10:50 AM »
Cycle-X sells a 850cc piston kit with 65.5mm pistons that allows a 836cc cylinder to be refreshed for $249.00. I have never used one personally, but they have sold a bunch of them.

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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 06:30:32 AM »
Cycle-X sells a 850cc piston kit with 65.5mm pistons that allows a 836cc cylinder to be refreshed for $249.00. I have never used one personally, but they have sold a bunch of them.

The 850cc kit is obviously doable, but you end up with very thin cylinder walls, possibly subject to hot spot problems. I  too, was raised with the impression 836cc was maximum on the stock cyllinder sleeves.
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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 06:56:39 AM »
Guess I should look into the items required for rebuilding.
I dont have that many miles though but I won a once over piston kit that I should use.

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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 07:34:38 AM »
The nice thing about the 836 is you get a good increase in compression and a nice deshrouding of the intake valve. It all works together very well with a cam and some porting
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Re: Hondaman's advice: Boring cylinders. New Pistons?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 07:44:45 AM »
i used the 850 kit, but due to concerns about the thin wall, I had block bored to take Bol d'or sleeves.

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