Author Topic: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?  (Read 3926 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline catzor

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 42
Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« on: January 05, 2011, 10:03:06 AM »
I have my new head here and I'm eager to test it. Do I need to use acetone specifically, or is that just what's most preferable? Seems like alcohol, thinner, mek, etc. would work just fine to me, but I must be missing something.  ???
1991 CB250 Nighthawk
1986 VT500C
1989 EX500
1973 CB175 Super Sport

Offline paulages

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,876
  • 1976 cb735
    • DOOMTOWN RIDERS P.R.M.C.
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 12:47:32 PM »
I use food-dyed isopropyl alcohol, though it is better to vacuum test through the ports. the real test apparatus for this is spendy, but you can make a poor-man's version like this: find a bung or suction cup large enough to fit in the port opening, drill a hole in it for a tube or nipple, and seal it with silicone or whatever. buy a brake bleeder kit if you don't already own one...make sure it has a gauge on the pump to show vacuum pressure. You'll attach the end of your brake bleeder tube to the port bung you've just created so that you can build vacuum in the port and see whether or not it holds. When you pump it up, you'll have to make sure your bung is sealing in the port. It's a bit tricky on some heads. If the valves are sealing, it should hold 20 PSI or so for at least 10 seconds.
paul
SOHC4 member #1050

1974 CB550 (735cc)
1976 CB550 (590cc) road racer
1973 CB750K3
1972 NORTON Commando Combat
1996 KLX650 R

Offline fastbroshi

  • Puppet
  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,645
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 02:32:34 PM »
  I watched while an old fella rebuilt my head, he was doing something with soapy water, can't remember exactly what.  Maybe that will jog someone's memory and they'll chime in here.
Just call me Timmaaaaay!!!

Offline lrutt

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 916
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 04:12:16 AM »
I always just use either gas or some kind of solvent down the ports and let it set. If there is no hit of leaks after several minutes it's good enough.
06 Harley Sporster 1200C, 06 Triumph Scrambler, 01 Ducati Chromo 900, 01 Honda XR650L, 94 Harley Heritage, 88 Honda Hawk GT, 84 Yamaha Virago 1000, 78 Honda 750K w/sidecar, 77 Moto Guzzi Lemans 850, 76 Honda CB750K, 73 Norton 850, 73 Honda Z50, 70 & 65 Honda Trail 90, 70 & 71 Triumph 650s, 65 Honda 305 Dream, 81 Honda 70 Passport, 70 Suzuki T250II, 71 Yamaha 360 RT1B, 77 BMW R75/7, 75 Honda CB550K, 70 Honda CT70

Offline Mark M

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 483
  • This is what the 10 year old me wanted for Xmas
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 04:31:57 AM »
 it should hold 20 PSI or so for at least 10 seconds

So how about just putting a small plunger over the valve - sit the head on edge, and see how long/if the plunger can pull any air
to drop the vacumb and drop off the head, how long do you think? perhaps a weight could be added to show the failing vacumb?
In the UK anything over 40 years old only needs insurance and Fuel.

Offline Shoeboxjoe

  • Large Breasts
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 184
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 08:41:54 AM »
I have my new head here and I'm eager to test it. Do I need to use acetone specifically, or is that just what's most preferable? Seems like alcohol, thinner, mek, etc. would work just fine to me, but I must be missing something.  ???

I just used brake cleaner and it worked fine.
1977 Honda CB750K Project IDK yet
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=121669.0

SOLD 1976 Honda CB750K Cafe project
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=52576.0

1964 Honda Trail 55 (C105T) Custom project
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=64962.0

1967 Norton P11 (restoring for father-in-law)
1978 Ford Fiesta (at body shop!)

Offline MCRider

  • Such is the life of a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,376
  • Today's Lesson: One good turn deserves another.
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 09:09:53 AM »
I think water is too clingy, surface tension. I use the solvent from my parts cleaner tank, or kerosene, something really runny. Acetone should be fine, but volatile.
Ride Safe:
Ron
1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."

Offline paulages

  • Old Timer
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,876
  • 1976 cb735
    • DOOMTOWN RIDERS P.R.M.C.
Re: Is it neccesary to use acetone to test for valve leaks?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 11:33:07 AM »
it should hold 20 PSI or so for at least 10 seconds

So how about just putting a small plunger over the valve - sit the head on edge, and see how long/if the plunger can pull any air
to drop the vacumb and drop off the head, how long do you think? perhaps a weight could be added to show the failing vacumb?

dunno... could work. I made my rig when my machine shop started charging just to vacuum heads, which they didn't do for years. It cost my about $5, but I already had the brake bleeder.
paul
SOHC4 member #1050

1974 CB550 (735cc)
1976 CB550 (590cc) road racer
1973 CB750K3
1972 NORTON Commando Combat
1996 KLX650 R