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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2016, 09:53:24 AM »
Chopping off the wider side brings the center of the arm more in line with the geometry of the stock arm.  I believe there's still a slight offset but I can handle that by adjusting the spacers on the cush drive side.  I'm probably making that sound easier than it truly is but with the success of other members on the board doing this particular mod, I think I'll be able to handle it.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2016, 08:23:08 AM »
A quick update with things going on behind the scenes.  Along with the help of my brother, we've been working on the headlight mount at his shop.  I'll post pics of it when we stop screwing it up.



I finally chopped the frame and got some chromoly tubing to replace what I cut.  I'm looking in my area for some help here as I don't have the necessary skills/machines to bend up the tubing the way I want it.  I'd considered using sand and a torch to bend the tube around a form but I think I'll consult a professional with this one.



Here's the shape I'm going for on the tail section of the bike.  I'm going to attempt to 3D print that part in sections to mock up on the frame but this will be the first time I've printed something this complex in various parts.  Should be exciting to see when/if it turns out.


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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2016, 09:43:39 AM »
You might want to add a cross member to the hoop, since you cut out a lot of lateral bracing.
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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2016, 08:16:47 AM »
Cal, yeah it's bent in both planes.  I'm working with a roll-cage guy in my area to see if this is possible, if not, I'll go your route.  I have a feeling that his dies may not be able to do bends in both directions so close together but we'll see.

I was able to start working on the tank this weekend.  It looks like the original owner either intentionally put two giant dents in the tank or it was a wild coincidence.



Having built myself a slide hammer a few months ago, I gave some dent pulling a try.  I'm learning quite a bit through this process and I'm already having some success.  I'm learning that finesse is the key and the working from the outside in works better than starting in the dead center of a dent.



I know there will be some body work / filling involved at the end of the day but I think I can make a lot of headway with this method.  And please, correct me if I'm going about this in the wrong way!

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2016, 09:18:44 AM »
I don't know.  I kind of liked the dents on top of the tank.  Could help the female riders. ;D  Project is looking great!!!

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2016, 11:20:13 AM »
These tanks are not as stiff as people believe and the metal moves easily once you get it to "understand your intentions  >:(".

You aren't kidding!  I was really surprised by how pliable the metal was when I hit it the first time.  That's what made me learn very quickly that easy does it.  It'll look into using Guide Coat when I get to that point.  Thanks for the help.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2016, 02:13:35 PM »
I agree about the compressed air method.  It's a dice roll to ballooning the tank.
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2016, 08:44:14 AM »
Made some progress removing more dents over the Christmas break, still a lot to do though.

I made an effort to be more methodical in my dent pulling and it's made a huge difference:


I burned a few holes on the right side but I'll fix those later.


The biggest achievement was pulling the massive gash out of the front left side of the tank, it almost completely came out!


I also picked up some paint....

Tank - Ford Grabber Blue


Frame - Toyota Cement Gray


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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2016, 09:16:10 AM »
The whole tank is going to get media blasted, metal etch primed, primed and painted to ensure longevity.  I'll seal the inside as well using either Red Kote or something similar.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2016, 08:16:16 PM »
The whole tank is going to get media blasted, metal etch primed, primed and painted to ensure longevity.  I'll seal the inside as well using either Red Kote or something similar.

Good idea on sealing. Make sure you use something ethanol resistant like Caswell epoxy.
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

Sold/Emeritus
1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2017, 10:13:06 AM »
Hey everyone, I hope the new year is treating everyone well!

A LOT has been going on since I last posted ranging from the headlight, seat upholstery to modifying the gas tank.

I'm apprehensive about posting the progress on the gas tank because I have a feeling it might ruffle some feathers or I'll get some "YOU'RE CRAZY" comments.  The plan is to relocate the oil tank INTO the gas tank using a double wall of sheet metal to prevent hot oil from coming into direct contact with a wall that touches gasoline.  Mostly to prevent/minimize direct heating / pressurizing of the gas tank.  I don't want to hang an oil tank on the back of the bike for pretty much aesthetic reasons only.  I want a wide open empty space in the back.

Here's where I stand today:

Big hole:

Shaping patterns for the double wall:


First metal cut for the first wall:


There's still a lot of fitment to do but I'm also at a crossroads.  Is welding these pieces in my only solution?  I'm afraid of warping the tank out of recognition with this process.  My TIG skills aren't the best but I might be able to handle this.  I have a bunch of carbon fiber and epoxy laying around from my canoe racing days (yes that's a thing) and was wondering if laying up some carbon fiber and epoxy around the joints may not only hold the walls in place but also seal it up.  What other options do I have other than welding?

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2017, 12:50:52 PM »
Cal, excellent advice.  I've been trying to think of every option possible to avoid TIGing this thing but it looks like I'm gonna have to face reality.  TIG it is.  I have the exact set up you mentioned and I started practicing last night with some thin plate.  It went . . . OK.  Definitely learned a lot but I think I can handle this job.  I'll post pics when I'm done.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2017, 07:34:34 AM »
I spent some of the weekend practicing my fillet welds with a bit of success.  I also called my welding supplier and got some numbers on He/Ar mix and it's pretty much out of my price range.  The cheapest route I found would be to get an 80 cf bottle of helium and use a Y connector to mix the argon but even then, it's an additional $160 bucks after bottle rental and gas cost.

Test set up:


Weld example:


Speaking with a co-worker of mine, he suggests that my fillets are too large.  I was having trouble getting the weld pool to be mobile enough unless I put more rod into the pool, thus, adding heat and spending too much time in one spot.  I'm using a 1/8" electrode with 0.045 ER70S-2 filler rod.  I was using a gas lens with a #6 cup (all I have until my new gas lens kit shows up today).  I have a bunch of other test strips ready to go so I'll spend some more time this week nailing down my technique and shrinking down the weld size.  I was deforming the crap out of my test pieces so I can only imagine what it'd do to my tank.  Slowly but surly....

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2017, 08:02:32 AM »
I misspoke.  I'm using a 1/16" electrode....

Maybe I'm a bit cornfused, is 0.045 filler rod still too large?  I'll give the lay-wire technique a try as well.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2017, 07:57:05 PM »
I just thought of something.  Am I just asking for trouble with my paint on the tank if there's hot oil just on the other side?  Can it get hot enough to mess up the paint?  I probably should have thought about this before I got to this point.   :)

So I found my solution to my welding woes: silicon bronze.  It flows easily and I don't have to put in nearly as much heat.  I've got some cratering / pitting due to my bad tie-ins but I plan to go back and grind them out and reflow it all to make it nice and smooth.  I'd say it's going pretty well which is a huge relief. 

All tacked.


Jumping around to minimize heat input. 


I have most of it welded up by now but a few tricky spots remain.  Once I'm totally done, I'll pressure test the tank to check for leaks using soapy water and pressurizing the main gas tank a bit.  Once I'm satisfied it's leak free, I get to do it all over again to add a second "wall" which will prevent hot oil from contacting a surface that has gas.  Basically creating a tiny air gap between the walls.  I'll again check for leaks then seal it up.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2017, 08:16:54 PM »
I did this to a Harley years ago.  I added a spacer wall between the two containment areas as well.  I drilled a small hole in the half inch space between the two cells and filled it with expanding foam to help prevent some of the heat transfer to the gas.  The tanks were seal coated in the oil portion as well as the gas after all the welding.  Regarding the heat affecting the paint,  you should be fine if you use an epoxy primer.  Your bigger concern will be no air bubbles in your bondo mix if it is needed.

The welds are looking great!!
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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2017, 06:45:52 AM »
It's kind of amazing how quickly things go when you've done them before...

After 3 weeks of getting the first set of walls welded in and pressure tested, it took me just under two days to get the final set put in place.  I spent considerable time leak/pressure testing the first set to make 100% certain no fuel would leach into the oil portion of the tank.  Turns out, the trickiest part was at the bottom folded edge of the stock tank.  When it's stamped from the factory, a tiny tiny channel is created that runs the perimeter of the tank completely preventing you from sealing it off unless you cut it and weld it from the edge.

Ignoring my wonderful weld blowout, I had to cut through the entire edge of the tank to seal it off from the larger section.


I made a little seal that fits into the filler neck where I pressurized the tank to 2-3 psi and sprayed soapy water all over the tank to look for bubbles, found quite a few:



Once all the leaks were stopped up, I started on the second set of walls so that no hot oil surface is ever in direct contact with a surface that holds gas.  This should help reduce the amount of heat transfer between hot oil and gas but it's not going to be perfect.  I've been using a contour gauge to help me match the surfaces, creating a cardboard pattern then slowly building it up piece by piece.  The process worked out much better the second time around as I had the first wall to guide me.





So a day after starting, I finished the welds (brazes, whatever) and pressure tested again.  I drilled a small hole between the first and second sets of walls so that I could pressurize the tiny area between the two walls to ensure the 2nd set was leak proof.



Now the actual fun part begins, welding in parts from the stock tank I chopped up literally 6 years ago.  Drain plug, send and return.  Not shown is the air/oil separator but that'll go in as well.  The trick will be getting the tank to vent properly but I think it's possible.




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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2017, 07:53:55 AM »
Thanks, Cal!  I do plan to line both sides of the tank with Caswell so there's some extra extra protection there.  I hadn't planned on running an oil cooler but there's still time if it's the right thing to do.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2017, 06:06:13 PM »
I'm running into an interesting issue finding a bung for the supply and return from my oil "tank".  I've decided to weld in some new female bungs to the bottom of the tank but can't seem to find a good supply of -8AN female steel bungs.  Seems as though NPT is a lot more common.  I want to use a female bung to minimize the distance coming out of the tank as I may run into clearance issues with the valve cover.  I'm going to 90 directly out of the tank and head back towards the rear then route down to the engine.

I think my best option is to use a 1/2" NPT female bung, then use a 1/2 NPT to -8AN 90 adapter to accomplish this.  Sound right?  Having a helluva time finding the right weld bung.

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2017, 06:57:12 PM »
Way to make me look like a jerk, CAL!  :)

Man I thought I'd scouuuuured the internet.  Thanks a ton!

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2017, 06:17:26 PM »
After close to 8 years out of the frame, the engine returns.  Albeit temporarily.



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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2017, 08:33:52 PM »
This is a great thread.  I can't tell you how much I've learned.  Like a good book, i couldn't stop reading and when i got to the end, i wanted more.  Its amazing the length of time that the process has taken, but yet the focus and vision remain strong.  Great job.

Cal... you have a plethora of knowledge!

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2017, 08:55:04 PM »
1975 CB550K1 "Blue" Stockish Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135005.0)
1975 CB550F1 frame/CB650 engine hybrid "The Hot Mess" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,150220.0.html)
2008 Triumph Thruxton (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,190956.0.html)
2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
2015 Yamaha FZ-09 (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,186861.0.html)

"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2017, 01:13:11 AM »
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Cal... you have a plethora of knowledge!

The suppository of all wisdom, as the oh so wise ex Prime Minister of Australia so eloquently put it.  ;D

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Re: Pin2Hot's 73 CB750
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2017, 03:58:56 AM »
Very true.  What would we do without YouTube

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