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Offline 1974CB750rider

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Front brake ?????
« on: January 15, 2011, 08:55:04 PM »
I just redid my front brakes. I got rid of the dual brake line set up and used one solid stainless steel line. During this change I had to buy a pressure switch/banjoo bolt. The wires allow me to hook it up to my wiring harness. I also had to replce the master cylinder. I needed one where the brake line hooked up to the front. I bought a 09 master cylinder off ebay for a 09 KLR 650. (yes I know cross breeding LOL) Anyway I got it all together and started trying to bleed my brakes, I noticed I never was pumping fluid to the caliper .  Anyone with an  idea?
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 05:02:04 AM »
Sounds like a problem with the master cylinder.
Is the lever letting the piston pull back enough to clear the fuid hole - allowing fluid into the system?
 Only other suggestions I have is that you either have a blockage somewhere else or the air cant get out through the bleed valve.
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 05:46:27 AM »
Thanks for the tip. As far as the bleeder valve goes I'm actualey not useing it. I'm looseing the line at the caliper. I can't get the bleeder screw loose and I'm afraid I'll bfreak it if I put to much pressure on it.
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 06:08:33 AM »
It's going to be almost impossable to get the caliper full with fuid going in the same hole as air is trying to come out - thats the
cause of the problems.
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 06:09:37 AM »
Unless the bleeder screw is extremely corroded it should break free with a bit of force.  Using a short  10mm wrench (I assume yours is the typical 10mm bleeder), it feels like a lot of torque is being applied. Shoot a little PB Blaster or similar and have at it; It will loosen with a little more effort.

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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2011, 06:34:52 AM »
It makes me nervous to do that as I've broken a lot bleeder screws on these old bikes. Tey are damb near impossible to get out when they break. My caliper has already been modifyed to except a bigger line. How about putting some heat on it with a propane torch?
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 07:17:16 AM »
Use a deep-well 6-point socket with a long extension so you can position yourself exactly in line with the bleeder and it will come out without breaking.

As for your bleeding problem, I do not know why this is, but I know it is:  When you begin bleeding a line it is almost impossible to get the pumping process started unless there is back pressure on the line.  Once there is some back pressure the system will begin to evacuate air from the master cylinder's actual cylinder back into it reservoir*.  That has to happen before it can pump fluid down the line to displace the greater amount of air trapped in the wheel cylinder.  At the wheel cylinder you will never be able to remove all the air behind the wheel cylinder unless you have a functioning bleeder, it simply can not be done with the bike upright.

* You can watch this happen when you first begin to bleed the brakes, its the little bubbles of air that come up into the reservoir from one of the two little pinholes in its bottom.
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 07:42:57 AM »
whether you have the bleeder cracked or not, if the banjo bolt is loose and your still not getting fluid, that means you have air in your master cylinder that needs to get bled out.
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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 08:54:59 AM »
I've  bled masters before that were mounted on buckhorns and mini- apers that put the master at an angle that required one person to tip the bike way over while the other ran the vacuum bleeder. If you find it tough to remove an air pocket give it a shot. It may help.

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Re: Front brake ?????
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 01:30:00 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys. I got the bleeder screw out without breaking it. I think I'm still going to order a new speed bleeder screw though. I was just happy to get it loose without snapping it off. Thanks again
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