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Offline manjisann

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I am FINALLY getting ready to do the build on my 80 CB650 and have a few questions. First, I tried to do a Cylinder Pressure test using my Harbor Freight tester (Anyone have any success with these, it was way less than the name brand ones.) Unfortunatley I couldn't find a 12mm adapter locally and they only sell them in the sets online so I took the 14mm adapter and brazed the lower half of a sparkplug on. It didnt' come out perfectly semetrical so I can't get to cylinders 2&3 but 1 & 4 I was able to do. The bike doesn't currently run, probably just needs the carbs redone, so I tested these cold, which if memory serves you are supposed to do them hot. 4 gave me 90 and 1 gave me 80. Here is the main question, do I put effort into getting the carbs working right now so I can do a proper test, or do I just shelf it and do the tear down. I'm gonna be pulling the motor and redoing the top end with new gaskets and walnut blasting and repainting. Suggestions?

Second question, I bought myself a Mig welder ( Party!!  ;D ). It's amperage is 30-175, if I set it to the lowest setting, can I get away with spot welding some small diameter iron rod onto the fuel tank to pull a nasty dent, or am I just looking to blow a hole in the tank and a big fireball for effect? I know everyone says Tig is the way to go, but sadly I don't have one or have access to one. I have the .35 wire and argon/co2 mix gas. I will be repainting the whole tank, as well as a POR15 jobbie on the inside. The metal seems pretty stout, anyone have any idea what guage these babies are made out of?

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Brandon

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Offline 750goes

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With 80 & 90 resultso n two cylinders. I might pull it and redo the top end...then it's done.

Make sure the tank is well flushed out first with water - then you have little chance of an explosion.. not sure on the welding question ...

Offline manjisann

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Redoing the top end, is that where I take the jugs and headers to a machine shop and they make them match up perfectly?

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Brandon
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Offline manjisann

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I had some time so I chopped the adapter apart and trued it up so hopefully it will fit in the inner two cylinders, and seat true. I'll post the results when I get them.

I seem to remember TT (sorry if it wasn't you  :-\ ) saying that some of the after market pressure testers won't give the same readings as the honda ones because the rubber hoses are bigger diameter, does anyone know if this is the case? I'd really rather not have any machining done if I can avoid it, as I am already WAY over budget as it is  ;D.

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Brandon
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Offline eurban

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His (TT's) write up on compression testing is in the tricks and tips section and yes he knows what he is talking about.  Basically, the size of your motorcycle's combustion chamber is relatively small (compared to a car engine etc) and the volume of the hose, adapter etc can be large enough to significantly effect the reading you see at the gauge.  Simply put, the volume of the adapter, hose and tester is added space for the compressed mix to push into, effectively lowering compression.  Any tester will have some effect but ones with long hoses will yield particularly low results.  Comparing the numbers produced with those from another type of gauge (like the gauge that Honda used to get its compression specs) is a crapshoot . . Other things such as, tester to cylinder head seal, battery power, starter motor condition, intake restriction (throttle must be wide open or better yet carbs removed) will effect your results.  The most important thing to note in the test is the variation among cylinders. If you get consistent readings things are probably ok. If you get consistent but low readings, suspect your test procedure and or the increase in combustion chamber volume from the tester.  . . .Also an engine that has sat for a while will likely yield poor compression test results.  However, it is often the case that once the engine is returned to service for a few miles that ring and valve sealing will return to normal.  . . .I would suggest getting the the bike going before tearing into the engine.
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eurban, thanks for the reply and info.

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Other things such as, tester to cylinder head seal, battery power, starter motor condition, intake restriction (throttle must be wide open or better yet carbs removed) will effect your results

I was not aware of the throttle part, guess I'd better read the FAQ.

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I would suggest getting the the bike going before tearing into the engine.

Are you saying to get the engine running, and do the test before I take it apart to redo the seals and repaint it? Sorry if thats a dumb question, just making sure I understand.

Thanks,

Brandon
Sure it's for sale! How much you ask?? Well, how much are you willing to pay??? Now triple it, that's the price!

1973 CB500 K2 - Sold the bike and bought a Mig, Miss the bike, Love the Mig :D
1980 CB650 Custom
1971 CB500 Frame 650 engine: Project

Trip and General Ramblings blog: manjisann.blogspot.com