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Swing Arm bushings
« on: March 27, 2006, 01:58:13 PM »
I'm looking to make a custom set of swing arm bushings, just woundering what to use.  Brass, Bronse, Babbit?  I have to turn the main spindle down a mm because of the ware.  PO hadn't greased it.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2006, 02:07:08 PM »
Bronze. There seem to be arguments between a good, hard phosphor bronze and oil-impregnated bronze. Seems like most of the commercial swingarm bushings use the oil-impregnated stuff. SAE 841 is a good one to try.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 01:05:14 PM »
Hey guys!  I’m working on a CB750 café racer.  I’m wondering if these would be good to pick up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-CB750-CB550-CBX-CB400-CB360-SWING-ARM-BUSHINGS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35592QQitemZ4629633458QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 01:13:06 PM »
Check the price from a dealer, these should be available. I see many ebay sales at ridiculous prices for stuff that you can get at the Honda dealer (genuine parts) or through accessory catalogues - stuff like those bushings.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 01:14:49 PM »
or here...

scroll down, they're midway down or so...

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2006, 01:18:05 PM »
ok,, I thought these were an upgrade from OEM??

Thanks for the info guys!

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2006, 01:36:13 PM »
bronze bushing ARE an upgrade...who said otherwise  ???

search for Hondaman on this site - SteveD (mod) has a whole special section of stuff Hondaman has said - one particular thread is his recommendations for upgrading the ride of your 750 - it's a laundry list of easy-to-do stuff - check it out.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2006, 01:45:15 PM »
ok from Bodi's reply I those these might just be OEM parts..

good stuff!  thanks!

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2006, 03:13:39 PM »
FWIW, I just picked up the spares I need for my CB350 rebuild. The original swing arm bushings were plastic. I just ordered the parts according to the original part number manual. The dealer ordered the superseded numbers when there was one. The swing arm bushings I got are made of metal.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2006, 07:48:34 PM »
Hey all  I know where they are on the bike (73 750K)  wondering where can I find some new ones even might put the needle bearing ones in If they dont break me
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 08:46:08 PM »
Rumor has it that the bronze bushings from M3 racing are the sh!t.

Try http://www.m3racing.com/products/parts.html and scroll down about a third of the page.

If you try them, let us know how they worked for you. I've been curious about them for a while but they're pretty far down my "to do" list.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2006, 12:12:12 PM »
got some from m3. they are in the swingarm, but the swingarm is not on the bike yet, so i cant say how it rides. the shipping was fast though, and they fit well so far.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2006, 02:29:25 PM »
I've recently bough new ones for my CB350. Honda replaced the old plastic ones for new metallic ones. I wonder if the bushings for the bigger models have been upgraded, but I guess so. 9 euros each, I guess it's even cheaper to get originals.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2006, 05:38:36 PM »
Go bronze, not needle. The needles have much less surface area and don't resist flexing as well as bronze.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2006, 08:10:52 PM »
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got some from m3. they are in the swingarm, but the swingarm is not on the bike yet, so i cant say how it rides. the shipping was fast though, and they fit well so far.
  Seriously, let me know how they work. I'm very interested.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 09:10:13 PM »
Oil-impregnated bronze, the best way to go. They last over 50,000 miles, too. Just wore out my second set at 109,000 miles. It makes an immediately-noticeable handling difference, and can handle loads up to 650 lbs on the 330-pound rating without fractures or flex.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2006, 06:41:11 AM »
Oil impregnated bronze?  Where does one find such exotic parts?

I picked up a set of bronze bushings a while back on eBay, along with a NOS spindle (not the bolt - the sleeve).  I'm waiting for my BOGE shocks to arrive, and then I'll drop the wheel/swingarm off to install everything and my new sprockets and chain.  Can't wait!  I've been holding on to these bushings for over a year waiting to do everything at once, and finally I have all the parts together.

Put new Progressive springs in the front end also - amazing difference in handling.  Can't wait to have the whole package together.
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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2006, 06:53:26 AM »
Honda has them for about $50/$60 CAD, I need to replace mine and the collar plus the other little bits for about $160 CAD for all the parts from Honda.

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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 03:38:55 PM »
Hi everyone.  Can someone tell me how to remove the rubber bushings from my swingarm?  I wacked at it for a bit but I'm starting to wonder if they even come off. (See number 4 from the parts list.)  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Swing Arm bushings
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 04:36:57 PM »
Which bike? If they are made of plastic, I took mine of with a pair of vise-grips.


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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2007, 05:04:12 PM »
Sorry.  I have 550F.  I tried a cocket the same size as the bushing and wacked on it for a while.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2007, 06:52:45 PM »
Sounds like you are speaking of the rear bushings on the swing arm for the shock absorber clevis rather than the front ones for the swingarm to frame mount?  The rear bushings are press fit but can bear difficult to remove.  If you are repainting your swingarm you can try heating the area around the bushings prior to pressing out.  You can also remove the inner portion of the bushing with a knife (or heat) leaving just the outer ring.  You can then carefully cut through the ring with hack saw blade.  Obviously you don't want to cut into the swingarm's bushing mount.  Grease em up before you push in the new bushings and make sure you get them going in straight.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2007, 07:06:20 PM »
If it is the bushing for the rear shock bottom mount, I tried to beat it out with a hammer and a large punch.  I tried heating it excessively, with the middle falling out.  Then with the suggestion from Greg at OCR, we used a hand held hack saw and cut through them then used a punch and hammer to knock them out.  Pain in the rear but they are out!
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 11:34:14 PM »
Wait! If you are talking about the rear bushings, then it's a whole different story. I was unable to remove them from my CB350. I tried a socket, a tube, a large bolt, a big vice, no way. Unfortunately, I had already bought the new ones that will go to the cellar, unused. The old ones were not that bad so I left them alone.


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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 03:03:15 AM »
Thanks guys.  That sounds extreme but I believe that's the only way.  Cheers.