Author Topic: Trade non running K0 cb750 for running '79 CB650? (Read 3256 times)

mlinder · « **on:** March 27, 2006, 05:15:13 PM »

Hi all, Ive got a '69 (though the title says '70 for some reason) cb750. It has some elctrical issues, not sure what, and hasn't run since 02 as far as I know. It is missing the headlamp and chrome ring/lamp holder.
engine # 1010739, frame number 1010812.
I need a running bike, and someone has offered a running (but needing a head gasket replacement) 79 650 in trade. Is this a fair trade, or should I ask for a bit of cash besides? I know the 650 is basically a bored 550. I know also that the 650 is much less sought after.
Please tell me your thoughts. I live in the pacific northwest.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:20:38 PM »

I'd get the 750 running, but that's me. The headlamp and chrome ring are easy to get and the electrics on these bikes are not hard.

I'll take your non-running '69 over a dozen 650s.

Do you have the ducktail seat? Recessed ignition? Cut front fender? Short chainguard? Your pic is kinda small.

Also, go to David Silver Spares and get some HM300 pipes for that baby!!

mlinder · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:23:38 PM »

I'd love to get the 750 running, but money and time constraints are weighing on me.
This is what it looks like:

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:33:32 PM »

That would be a sweet project. I'll bet you could get it running and back in tip-top shape in less than a month.

What sort of money and time constraints? If you don't mind my asking.

mlinder · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:45:54 PM »

Very little money, and need something to ride pretty much asap. I figure I can only put about 600 a month into this project as it stands.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2006, 05:50:04 PM »

Still, I'd get a beater to ride and then do the project over the summer.

That could be a NICE ride when done, but it will take some work.

KCs76Cafe · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2006, 06:30:16 PM »

Quote from: mlinder on March 27, 2006, 05:15:13 PM

Hi all, Ive got a '69 (though the title says '70 for some reason) cb750. It has some elctrical issues, not sure what, and hasn't run since 02 as far as I know. It is missing the headlamp and chrome ring/lamp holder.
engine # 1010739, frame number 1010812.
I need a running bike, and someone has offered a running (but needing a head gasket replacement) 79 650 in trade. Is this a fair trade,

If it was me Id keep the 750. The wiring problem on it cant be as involved as the head gasket on the 650.

Quote from: mlinder on March 27, 2006, 05:45:54 PM

Very little money, and need something to ride pretty much asap. I figure I can only put about 600 a month into this project as it stands.

$600 a month

KCs76Cafe · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:31:03 PM »

If you've got $600 a month to spend on the bike theres no reason why you shouldnt keep the 750.....especially if all it needs is a headlite and ring. The wiring can be figured out.

I started with a $200 beater bike. All I had to spend on it to get it running was the cost of a new set of plugs. It had wiring issues but it ran. Then with the help of all the nice folk on here I got them sorted out.

All Im saying is dont let a good bike go for a 79 650. Dont get had. Alot of people ....me included......would give their left nut for a early model 750.

Not counting the $200 initial purchase price.......I might have $300 in this bike........

Before.....

And after............

bill440cars · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:38:43 PM »

If we were voting on it, I'd say the 750 cause that IS one sharp looking ride. I'd pick up on
that Suzuki (or whatever) and even if it took a while to get that 750 up and running, so what.
I don't know that much about the 750s but, if you can hang onto this one, I don't see how you
would ever regret it. Later on, Bill

andy750 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:53:37 PM »

Looking at your bike in the photos, the parts alone are worth more than the 79 650 - if thats a red original uncracked airbox that alone will fetch many $$$s on Ebay ($400++) and then there is your sidecovers - if uncracked then your looking at $500 + for the set and if your headlight shell is uncracked then again worth many $$s..... Im not trying to get you to part it out but thats just a few parts that are worth more than the price of a 650....now...if you take into account the 750 is more reliable (once running) and will last a lot longer (probably)....Id personally hang on to your 750 and make it something to ride for a long time. Dosent have to be completely stock but at the moment its looking sharp and the wiring is actually not so hard.....if I can do it then anyone can....look in the FAQ (in this Forum) and get a colour-coded wiring diagram and follow that - really quite easy once you get the hang of it....and believe me it took me a while! And get a multimeter from Sears ($20) and test your wires....

Good luck and let us know how it goes,
Cheers
Andy in Boston

csendker · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2006, 07:58:53 PM »

Keep the 750. Use the first $600 to buy a running something to keep you moving, then fix the 750. Besides, it's not even a fair trade: the 650 doesn't have a kick-starter. Not apples-for-apples.

scunny · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2006, 10:23:41 PM »

Keep the 750, damn did I say that and I've got a 650. And I think you can patch up that 750 for very little outlay just be patient

seaweb11 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 27, 2006, 11:35:28 PM »

I think your are right to walk away. Looks like a nightmare project.
Seriously, where are you located in PNW and would a cash infusion allow you to rid yourself of this daunting project so you could buy what you want?

In BC but don't mind a bit of travel//////

Signed
Need something to do.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2006, 02:43:33 AM »

Wish I had a running CB650 to trade you. I'd trade you two of them for the 750.

bill440cars · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:28:33 AM »

Quote from: 6pkrunner on March 28, 2006, 02:43:33 AM

Wish I had a running CB650 to trade you. I'd trade you two of them for the 750.

Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot ot the guys who WISH they had a bike like that to start
with. Looks like you've got a great starter bike already. "Back Away From The Trade" If nothing
else, look at what KC started with and look at how it's turning out. Think about it. I've got
nothing against CB650s but, think before you act, okay? Later on, Bill

byidesign · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:29:06 AM »

Keep the 750!!!!!!, even if you don't do the work yourself,
   a good local mech. would probably do the electricals on the
   side, as well as clean out the carbs. you would be surprised ,
at how much you could get done for the money.and in a short time.
   for a dialy driver, i picked up a cb400, for 200.00 that all I had to do was
   clean it out and ride it, while I overhauled my cb650sc.
   There isn't a question, that someone on this forum
   doesn't have an solution for......Keep the 750......
   Hope it Helps.

6adan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:50:55 AM »

If you lived closer to me I would go buy a 650 to trade with you.Keep the 750 I have a 70 750 I bought new and still riding it.Dannie

bill440cars · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:55:20 AM »

byidesign makes some good points. There are a lot of guys on this site who have the
knowledge and the experience to handle about anything you could come up with and their
response come pretty quick also. You won't be left in a lurtch (I guess that's how you spell
it), if you know what I mean. Just look at what they've done with theirs and you've already
got a heck of a good start.
Later on, Bill

mlinder · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:55:52 AM »

Alright alright, no need to be smart asses

If any of ya have a RUNNING moto in my area for two to four hundred bucks, lemme know. I'm in portland.
I guess I'm just dreading yanking all the wiring apart. Some jackass electrical-taped it all together in various dog-#$%* shaped lumps.
I just haven't done a whole lot of electrical work on bikes or cars before.

/edit: heres a kawi in my area. I'm just kinda loath to spend 350 on a bike as ugly as this

http://portland.craigslist.org/mcy/145530149.html

csendker · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2006, 05:21:41 AM »

"...or best offer..." Offer $200 and see what happens. Bring greenbacks, not your checkbook - cold, hard cash in hand does wonders to sway a mind. Mine was advertised at $500, but I got if for $350 because that's what I offered (negotiated actually). Ya never know. Either way, if you have $600/mo to burn, take the remainder from month #1 and buy a new wiring harness if this one's all chopped up. It beats the hunt & peck method of electrical discovery.

6pkrunner · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2006, 05:28:33 AM »

I buy complete wiring harnasses off eBay for $12-$20 each. And they are in great shape. Just be patient and wait for the one you want. some guys go nuts and bid them up to $40 or so - but there are tons of them on the Bay every week.
So forget fixing the butcher job - get a good used one. Or for $75 get an NOS one from several different suppliers.

mlinder · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2006, 05:29:52 AM »

Quote from: csendker on March 28, 2006, 05:21:41 AM

"...or best offer..." Offer $200 and see what happens. Bring greenbacks, not your checkbook - cold, hard cash in hand does wonders to sway a mind. Mine was advertised at $500, but I got if for $350 because that's what I offered (negotiated actually). Ya never know. Either way, if you have $600/mo to burn, take the remainder from month #1 and buy a new wiring harness if this one's all chopped up. It beats the hunt & peck method of electrical discovery.

I s'pose I could make a little cafe racer for the girl out of the 400 after I finish the 750.
Theres a few members here at sohc4 that have a workspace down near where I work. Mebbe I'll talk to em about getting some help for some cash or some such.

bill440cars · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2006, 06:09:01 AM »

There ya go, now you're talking!

dusterdude · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2006, 07:03:43 AM »

think it thru,keep the bike if at all possible,when you get old and gray you will appreciate keeping it.im sure any sohc members near you will help you out,i know i would if you lived near me.good luck and keep us informed.

bill440cars · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2006, 07:21:48 AM »

What duster said! I know the other bike is a Kawasaki but, it looks a lot like a Honda
CB350. Kawasakis aren't bad bikes. They don't have the following of the Hondas but hey, they
can't all be the best. Bargain for and get the Kawasaki. Like you said, you could do a number on it
for the girl. Later on, Bill

fotoguy79 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2006, 07:28:14 AM »

Quote from: KCs76Cafe on March 27, 2006, 07:31:03 PM

If you've got $600 a month to spend on the bike theres no reason why you shouldnt keep the 750.....especially if all it needs is a headlite and ring. The wiring can be figured out.

I started with a $200 beater bike. All I had to spend on it to get it running was the cost of a new set of plugs. It had wiring issues but it ran. Then with the help of all the nice folk on here I got them sorted out.

All Im saying is dont let a good bike go for a 79 650. Dont get had. Alot of people ....me included......would give their left nut for a early model 750.

Not counting the $200 initial purchase price.......I might have $300 in this bike........

Before.....

And after............

Looks nice...but...uhm...those pipes...wow! I'd replace them. It's like having a nice car with a different colored hood. Some nice pipes would really make that think pop. Of course I'd choose abother color too, but that is besides the point. The pipes are bringing the finished product down. You could probably find a decent set oln ebay, too.

KCs76Cafe · « **Reply #26 on:** March 28, 2006, 04:21:26 PM »

In due time burris.......I dont have 600 a month to spend on my bike. I've got a Mac 4-1 in way better shape, I just need to find different bolts to mount it. The Kerker has countersunk Phillips head bolts...(the flanges on the Kerker are countersunk) going into the head while the Mac has slotted flanges. Gonna have to buy some hex head bolts. Anybody know what size they are....... M8, M10, M12

Id rather have the Kerker. Was thinking about having it blasted then coated but it has seen its better days. Along with the rust.....it has been scrubbed under the bottom a few times. Believe me.....If I had 600 Id rather have a new chrome 4-1 Kerker.

techy5025 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 28, 2006, 05:16:37 PM »

There's almost nothing on a 750 that 600 bucks won't fix....except maybe a locked
engine and even then you can buy a used one for 200 or so.

And as someone said above....guard those plastic parts with your life. They are the
most valuable parts on the bike.....unless it has a prestine "wrinkle" tank. Funny that
one side panel in good shape is worth more then the whole engine.

Jim

74cb750 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2006, 10:21:32 AM »

well, I sold both my running cb650's after trying to keep them on the road cost too much time.
Seems something was always going wrong on them.

Evryone I know whom has had one has had nothing but problems. Fix the cb750 or get some
guys off this board to come over and bang it into shape.

Just my 2 cents worth,
you won't be sorry.
michel

mlinder · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2006, 10:42:45 AM »

Quote from: 74cb750 on March 29, 2006, 10:21:32 AM

well, I sold both my running cb650's after trying to keep them on the road cost too much time.
Seems something was always going wrong on them.

Evryone I know whom has had one has had nothing but problems. Fix the cb750 or get some
guys off this board to come over and bang it into shape.

Just my 2 cents worth,
you won't be sorry.
michel

Yeah, I'm gonna keep it.

dusterdude · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2006, 10:51:24 AM »

excellent,after it drives you to drinkin you will be a very happy camper.

mlinder · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2006, 10:59:45 AM »

Quote from: dusterdude on March 29, 2006, 10:51:24 AM

excellent,after it drives you to drinkin you will be a very happy camper.

I already drink. Check the "What do we look Like" thread

I'm sure I'll be happy I kept it. Now to find a cheapo bike to ride around while I fix this one.

dusterdude · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2006, 01:18:36 PM »

yes you do,well at least there is the happy camper part.

martini · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2006, 01:48:42 PM »

Whatever you do don't trade it for a running 650. I can tell from the picutres that you have enough "sandcast" parts on that bike that you could buy 2 or 3 running 650s for the money you'd get off e-bay. Believe me I know as I have to buy the parts!

mrbreeze · « **Reply #34 on:** March 30, 2006, 12:06:15 AM »

Youuuuuuuuuu got to.......Youuuuuuuu got to....Ya gotta keep the seven five O!!!!!!!!!

fotoguy79 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 30, 2006, 04:03:14 AM »

Quote from: KCs76Cafe on March 28, 2006, 04:21:26 PM

In due time burris.......I dont have 600 a month to spend on my bike. I've got a Mac 4-1 in way better shape, I just need to find different bolts to mount it. The Kerker has countersunk Phillips head bolts...(the flanges on the Kerker are countersunk) going into the head while the Mac has slotted flanges. Gonna have to buy some hex head bolts. Anybody know what size they are....... M8, M10, M12

Id rather have the Kerker. Was thinking about having it blasted then coated but it has seen its better days. Along with the rust.....it has been scrubbed under the bottom a few times. Believe me.....If I had 600 Id rather have a new chrome 4-1 Kerker.

I know what you mean about the money. I've got a bike I am working on, but it seems like the job is moving very very slowly.

Ted Nomura · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2006, 04:18:29 PM »

This is a no brainer. Like Andy750 says, parts alone are worth more than the CB650. That bike should be registered as 1969 model. The seat is post CB750K3 type but you can get a K1 type then change the covers for about $300. The original HM300 pipes would cost over $1000 but many get away with the cheaper HM341s. If I lived nearby, I'd give him two running CB650s.

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