Author Topic: I just don't know about enforcing speed limits by aircraft (Read 3223 times)

OldSchool_IsCool · « **on:** February 06, 2011, 11:56:00 AM »

Check out what this concerned citizen has to say!

Roach · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2011, 12:03:23 PM »

they have police helicopters in b.c that watch the highways and roads

IE. the sea to sky highway bettween whistler and Vancouver. used to see people hauling balls on it all the time now its got cops all over it from the ground to the air. $:-\$ had some nice twisties

754 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:05:52 PM »

I think a helicopter matching your speed is approaching fair..

with an Aircraft, I would be tempted to fight it and ask (in court)to be shown, how the difference in their viewing angle , is factored in, as well as the speed difference, and what the effect of those are on the accuracy of the speed they measured you at....just saying..
They should be have to be able to provide you with their speed, and height difference, to present a fair calculation.

Damfino · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »

Has anyone bothered to watch the video? To the end?

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »

Quote from: Schmthaus on February 06, 2011, 02:08:37 PM

Has anyone bothered to watch the video? To the end?

Yes.

754 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:18:02 PM »

I cant watch it.. on this the equivalent of a KO computer & worse yet..it is made by Lucas..

Ok , I am back now.. that only took 17 minutes for it to recover..

Perhaps I am presenting a flawed argument, but what are they usibng for timing in the aircraft?.. A MADE IN cHINA STOPWATCH..?

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:26:20 PM »

Not much of it done around here, but perhaps they time you through some marks on the highway.

vanillagorilla · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2011, 02:46:05 PM »

I've seen roads with lines painted across them in AZ. There were signs saying something about aerial radar surveillance. I looked around for a chopper, didn't see one, and got back in the throttle...

OldSchool_IsCool · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2011, 03:41:24 PM »

Quote from: Schmthaus on February 06, 2011, 02:08:37 PM

Has anyone bothered to watch the video? To the end?

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2011, 04:09:17 PM »

Quote from: 754 on February 06, 2011, 02:05:52 PM

I think a helicopter matching your speed is approaching fair..

with an Aircraft, I would be tempted to fight it and ask (in court)to be shown, how the difference in their viewing angle , is factored in, as well as the speed difference, and what the effect of those are on the accuracy of the speed they measured you at....just saying..
They should be have to be able to provide you with their speed, and height difference, to present a fair calculation.

Frank, The gauges for measuring their speed are a lot more accurate than a speedo in a car and if they are flying over head at the same speed then its not hard to prove how fast you were going, the angles have nothing to do with it at all, they simply fly at the same speed over head .

Mick

333 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2011, 04:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on February 06, 2011, 02:26:20 PM

Not much of it done around here, but perhaps they time you through some marks on the highway.

That's exactly how it's done. Lines on the highway, usually on the side of the road. All it takes is a stopwatch and a calculator.

eworth · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2011, 04:31:53 PM »

Rate (speed) = distance / time.

Marks on the highway at a known distance will give us your speed using the time it takes to get from one mark to another. We do it often in Wisconsin.

We can do it from our squads too using an installed VASCAR unit.

754 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:03:22 PM »

I realize that it is a timed over as set distance method. A stopwatch, though, is an ancient method , that is lowtech by todays standards. The accuracy of the test can be influenced by fluctuations of the reaction times of the person doing the timing.
So the question I have (could be brought up in court), is what is the range if reaction times in the person that is timing. Its commonplace for dragracers to be aware of their reaction times, and consistency thereof.. what I want to know, is the law enforment timer, being tested and documented, regarding their reaction times.

eworth · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:06:58 PM »

It would be within fractions of a second. Not an issue.

BobbyR · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:07:22 PM »

It is a fraud. they are counting on the Cop in the air clicking the watch at precisely the correct time. It has been proven very inaccurate and defeated in court many times. It is really not possible for an aircraft fixed wing or rotary to pace a vehicle on the ground with any accuracy.

eworth · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:12:14 PM »

Think what you will. I'm not here to change it.

Damfino · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:13:43 PM »

Quote from: BobbyR on February 06, 2011, 06:07:22 PM

It is a fraud. they are counting on the Cop in the air clicking the watch at precisely the correct time. It has been proven very inaccurate and defeated in court many times. It is really not possible for an aircraft fixed wing or rotary to pace a vehicle on the ground with any accuracy.

They're not pacing the vehicle with the airplane Bobby, they're flying overhead timing your movement between fixed distance markers on the pavement. Right? That's how I understand it. $:-\$

333 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2011, 06:15:48 PM »

The argument could be made that the lag time between the car crossing the line and the cop hitting the stopwatch button is the same, start and stop.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2011, 07:18:35 PM »

How about a video camera with a visible, on-screen clock.

eworth · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2011, 07:22:02 PM »

How bout we go the speed limit and I don't have to be first on scene and see dead bodies.....

BobbyR · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2011, 07:28:34 PM »

Quote from: eworth on February 06, 2011, 07:22:02 PM

How bout we go the speed limit and I don't have to be first on scene and see dead bodies.....

I did Highway Patrol for two years Motor and Aviation, we both know that will never happen.

333 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2011, 07:33:18 PM »

Yeah, I'm just a poor schmuck that's out there drivin', and I know you have to do 10 over just to keep from gettin' run over.

eworth · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2011, 07:37:01 PM »

Spanner 1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2011, 08:08:07 PM »

Which is cheaper when you get a speeding ticket, pay it or try to fight it in court.?... unfortunately option A is less costly......... so, your caught by the b#ll$ and 'they' know it.... easy money/ tax collection IMO ( opinion based on Europe, but prolly' valid here also ! ).

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2011, 08:19:02 PM »

Quote from: Spanner 1 on February 06, 2011, 08:08:07 PM

Which is cheaper when you get a speeding ticket, pay it or try to fight it in court.?... unfortunately option A is less costly......... so, your caught by the b#ll$ and 'they' know it.... easy money/ tax collection IMO ( opinion based on Europe, but prolly' valid here also ! ).

Thats a good point Spanner, they should make it free to challenge speeding tickets. I highly doubt that would ever happen but it sure would even things up a bit.....

Mick

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