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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1375 on: September 04, 2018, 08:36:54 AM »
Enjoy your success ;) ...........and it sounds as if the #1 may stay on the bike :)
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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1376 on: September 04, 2018, 12:28:55 PM »
Not sure where you would hear that, but it's locker room talk.

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1377 on: September 04, 2018, 12:32:33 PM »
Not sure where you would hear that, but it's locker room talk.

Last guy that shot his mouth off about locker room talk ended up becoming president. Locker room talk has powers beyond all comprehension.
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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1378 on: September 04, 2018, 06:01:51 PM »
Oh I've heard the rumours, but that's all they are. Tyler rode very well this season, no doubt, but there are certainly other deserving riders and the executive will do the right thing.

This season he also entered the VRRA's P3 Heavyweight class simply for the competition. The top 3 or 4 guys in this class are all business on fast, big power 80's superbikes. He secured 3rd spot in only 3 of 4 races and turned a few heads on a CB550 based motorcycle.  ;D


Here's a few from last weekend, thanks to Dan Witmer for the pics.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2057099610967595&set=oa.10156226873424681&type=3&theater


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2057104344300455&set=oa.10156226873424681&type=3&theater


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2057104970967059&set=oa.10156226873424681&type=3&theater
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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1379 on: September 05, 2018, 04:30:50 AM »
Great job this year Team Waller.  Fighting it out with the p3 big bikes must have been a good bit of fun for Tyler.

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« Reply #1380 on: September 05, 2018, 04:43:22 AM »
Yes George, he sure did. Here's just a short vid of the start. Second wave is P4F2.

With Mosport gearing it's tough to get a good launch, but he got away well.


https://www.facebook.com/tux.ruston/videos/2168556313418767/?multi_permalinks=10156228505754681%2C10156228502149681%2C10156228496209681&notif_id=1536146276099215&notif_t=group_activity

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1381 on: November 03, 2018, 05:03:21 AM »
I just saw this vid of that early season crash. Not to dwell on anything but simply to show how quickly things can go sideways at speed (90mph corner)



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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1382 on: November 03, 2018, 05:44:05 AM »
bloody four strokes .... they should not let the things near a race track !

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1383 on: November 03, 2018, 05:55:47 AM »
I just saw this vid of that early season crash. Not to dwell on anything but simply to show how quickly things can go sideways at speed (90mph corner)


Yes, I’m sure glad Tyler walked away from that one in good shape.  High speed crashes like that are a really efficient way to break stuff on the bike though🙄

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1384 on: November 03, 2018, 06:32:13 AM »
Two strokes are too easy!  :P

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1385 on: November 03, 2018, 10:29:19 AM »
bloody four two strokes .... they should not let the things near a race track !


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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1386 on: November 04, 2018, 04:17:13 AM »
Here's another race in case you're not sick of it all!

This is a 20 turn track that allows a 70's middleweight that started from the back to compete with 80's 1100 superbikes. Tyler claims this was one race he enjoyed the most, having a front row seat watching these three seasoned ex pros battle it out.



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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1387 on: November 04, 2018, 08:05:14 AM »
he rode very well brent , you could do with finding him some better quality opposition though he wont learn much beating them. even if they are riding bikes more modern and twice the size .

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1388 on: November 04, 2018, 02:17:12 PM »
Such a pleasure watching a rider on a smaller displacement bike out ride his competition.  Well fought race.  I suspect he would surprise a number of the modern class pro riders if given the opportunity.  Thanks for sharing.   

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1389 on: November 05, 2018, 08:27:58 AM »
very nice action video, good overtakes! my compliments to Tyler.

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1390 on: November 10, 2018, 04:02:57 AM »
Brent, damn, Good luck fixing it, glad Tyler's ok. That's the main thing.
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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1391 on: November 10, 2018, 08:58:09 AM »
Thanks Bill, that happened in June and we managed a repair in time for the next round. Spare bodywork sure helps!

Back from Rick Stetson's last night and some dyno work. I hadn't been able to check what our last winters work accomplished. It was mostly to check for any power gain as any jetting had been taken care of through the race season. Small step but in a positive direction, +1.2 HP gain.  :)

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1392 on: November 11, 2018, 04:03:12 PM »
So what kind of HP do you have that 550 making now?  If it is not a too closely guarded secret?  Was really pleased with my last dyno runs as it is almost always easier to pass on a straight.   :D

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1393 on: November 13, 2018, 10:15:50 PM »
Tyler is very talented, he has learned well and the bike is a joy to listen to as well as watch being put through its paces on the track. I always enjoy a good race video and especially on board like that. He seems to use the 550 as a very potent weapon. Given opportunity to run a bigger bike in a more advanced class it would be interesting to see how well he would do. You and Mike have built a phenomenal machine.
What was the season results and did he take 2nd in that race against the bigger bikes or was he 1st in the class and racing against the bigger bikes does he place in their race? ;)
Or, were there front runners in the 750 class ahead of those guys? 
He may get out run on the straights against a 750 but he can out brake them and out ride those in that race.

Kudos to all involved!

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1394 on: August 03, 2019, 02:39:34 PM »
Well it's been a while and a difficult off season personally. As a result this will be a shortened race season for us, but I feel much better about our progress after last weekend which was the first time the bike has been raced.

Last fall the engine leakdown was 2-4% across all cylinders. The rings were showing they hadn't completely sealed so the plan was to re-use. There was some scoring on one skirt especially that I attributed to a slight chunk out of one 5th gear tooth in the gearbox. This was one of the gears Ellis Moore had made for me. Ellis suffered a devastating crash during a race last September so I found a shop closer to home to make a new gear. (there was a delay which prevented us being ready in time for the first race) I would appreciate any news on how Ellis has managed if anyone knows.

Over the winter I built new wheels, for wider rims and used a front hub in the rear with a small TZ disc and my own cush drive. Thanks to Ted for these vintage DID alloy rims which trued nicely. My plan was to adopt the 650 primary ratio to speed the clutch rotation hoping it might help the clutch on hard launches. This swap to 650 parts isn't difficult, but there is a need to remove some material from both the clutch cover & cases. The first plan was to cut both 550/650 clutch covers and weld the 650 outer half to the 550 inner half because the 650 cover doesn't seal on the 550 cases. That became too difficult to align so dropped that idea.

I wanted to use the 650 lifter plate and bearing, but the 550 internal clutch lever is so much different than the 650. In the end I machined a hybrid lifter guide with a larger OD to fit the 550 mainshaft. This replaces the 550 pushrod that uses two bearing balls friction welded to either end of a tube. Long story short there was a slight alignment issue with this lifter guide which in turn broke the clutch adjustment screw inside the cover.

The 6mm adjustment screw lasted for about an hour of racing. I had a spare and when that one broke late Saturday, I had to make one from whatever bits I had in the pits and re-installed the 550 clutch and primary gear for Sunday. Tyler missed one race Saturday as a result, but managed 1st in P2M, and 4th in P3H.

Sunday went very well and he won his P2M class, 2nd in P3L, and 4th in P3 Heavy Superbike. The clutch worked fine.

Over the winter I installed new damper rubbers in a 650 clutch basket. I was unable to find rivots the correct size so tapped the basket for 6mm flat head machine screws with red locktite. This seems to work perfectly fine and this basket is like new.

So the plan is now to use the 650 primary ratio, 650 clutch parts with the 550 lifter plate and push rod. This should solve any negative issues and still give us any potential advantage of the 650 ratio. I was in need of all new rear sprockets so over the winter calculated the difference in clutch speed and ordered larger final drive rear sprockets to return to original wheel rpm.

The next race is Aug 30th weekend and there are a bunch of fast guys & bikes coming from AHMRA so we will be ready!








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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1395 on: August 03, 2019, 04:05:47 PM »
Wow Brent!  Nice bit of engineering!
Sorry to hear about Ellis.

Good on Tyler for the great finishes after being off the bike for a extended period. Is he still racing the other bike?

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1396 on: August 04, 2019, 04:06:06 AM »
David, Ty sold his FZR but does race a short stroke 750 Ducati in the endurance series every Friday afternoon during race weekends.

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« Reply #1397 on: September 03, 2019, 05:39:26 PM »
The 2019 season has ended for us. We had a great turnout for Mosport and the weather was excellent until Sunday at noon!

After the clutch fiasco last race, I decided to use the 550 lifter plate and pushrod with the 650 clutch basket, still with an extra plate & disc. This allows for the taller primary ratio. I'm not sure ultimately there is much difference, but in theory it will help launch from a race start.

Tyler won two heat races and also had a 4th in the P3 Heavyweight class Saturday. He enjoys racing with these guys, it's mostly a matter of mixing it up with ex pros on their 80's superbikes. The long straight at Mosport should allow good drafting except he laughingly admitted that although he was pinned to the rear of someone almost every lap as they straightened up on the throttle, those huge engines just exploded away and the 550 was left in the dust! a 4th place amongst these guys is respectable.

He managed a 1:36.2 which is a personal best on this CB550. That's a 92 MPH lap average, shows how fast Mosport is for a closed circuit.

Sunday after lunch, just as I was firing the bike, it started to rain. It was just enough to dampen the track, and the surface became greasy. For two hours it never rained enough to wash the track clean so traction was sketchy, at best. The Nascar truck race was recent and when dry, the track was awesome. Add a bit of moisture to all the dust and rubber bits and it was hell.

I installed a new front Avon Saturday evening and he had a chance to scrub it in during practice in the dry Sunday morning, so that was fortunate. Some of the usual good rain riders were tossing it because of the lousy conditions. Tyler slid around and won 2 races, but opted out of the 3rd race when conditions didn't improve.

All in all, a pretty good weekend. Beside that one tire, it was simply add fuel, check tire pressures and chain....easy! Just the way I like it.

I'm hoping there is not much to do over the winter except to plate and set up a new cylinder. Have new pistons in stock. However there were the tiniest of cracks (under a 25X macroscope) partially between exhaust valve seat and plug hole in two other cylinder head chambers when I assembled this past spring. I need to take a close look at those and perhaps Jim French will need to work more welding magic.

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1398 on: September 04, 2019, 04:05:19 AM »
so he's racing against XR's and such? 4th is like a win no? :) congrats!

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Re: Let's go roadracing...continuing saga
« Reply #1399 on: September 04, 2019, 04:11:37 AM »
Good to see the little Honda giving it to the big dog's on a 150km track.
Well done team Waller.
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