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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #450 on: September 12, 2012, 03:48:21 PM »
Very nice and congrats to you both! Keep the videos coming... that was just a wicked start !!! 

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #451 on: September 12, 2012, 06:29:57 PM »
congrats on a strong season.  looking good on that holeshot.

are you going to come down to barber for the vintage festival?

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #452 on: September 12, 2012, 06:45:02 PM »
No Barber this year, got a little date with a surgeon...

TimV (4hundred4racer) will be there though.

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #453 on: September 18, 2012, 08:01:29 PM »
Congrats to Brent on finishing 1st overall in Period 2 Middle Weight Production!!! And a VERY close 2nd(by 1 point) in Period 3 Lightweight! Well done old man! ;)

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #454 on: September 18, 2012, 08:19:18 PM »
Congrats to Brent on finishing 1st overall in Period 2 Middle Weight Production!!! And a VERY close 2nd(by 1 point) in Period 3 Lightweight! Well done old man! ;)

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #455 on: September 18, 2012, 11:48:39 PM »
That's a great finish! Congratulations!
so, how does that impact your number plate for next year? Does it?
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #456 on: September 19, 2012, 04:08:41 AM »
Brent,awesome year. ;D 8) Very inspiring! Way to go.Bill
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #457 on: September 19, 2012, 06:44:00 PM »
Ah shucks, thanks guys. It was a great season and lots of fun.  ;D No number change unless they throw me out.

By the way TimV also won a 1st overall in P2 Light as well as second in P2 Mid Prod. Atta boy Tim.

For those visiting Barber Tim will be racing so stop by with a little cash to help him get home after!  ;) Just joking for all the old man cracks!

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #458 on: November 11, 2012, 01:18:17 PM »
Congrats to Brent on finishing 1st overall in Period 2 Middle Weight Production!!! And a VERY close 2nd(by 1 point) in Period 3 Lightweight! Well done old man! ;)

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Congrats Brent, on receiving your class awards last night, and in addition the 'Best Bike' award. 8) 8)
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #459 on: November 11, 2012, 03:32:19 PM »
Well done Brent and Brian. Well deserved awards!   8)

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« Reply #460 on: November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PM »
Well done Brent and Brian. Well deserved awards!   8)

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Thank you sir, back at ya Tim.

Gotta say though I felt a tad short standing beside that loooong set of legs last night! ::)

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« Reply #461 on: November 11, 2012, 05:54:37 PM »
You felt short, those legs went on forever. ;)  They belonged to our guess speaker Toni Sharpless.

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #462 on: November 11, 2012, 07:05:37 PM »
Congrats to all the vintage racers as living the passion to follow a dream or something you enjoy makes life richer (and often your wallet smaller, much smaller ;D )

Brent, I have to agree you have one nice looking and clearly a performing bike!
Brian & Tim, congrats on a great year as well!

She as good looking in person? A woman who is attractive, rides, and is a racer; clearly a winning combination!
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« Reply #463 on: November 11, 2012, 08:00:23 PM »
Toni told some great stories of racing with all the big guns. Both she and Kathlene Coburn, two Canadian girls, (and there are others) kicked a bunch of doors open to make names for themselves. Last night Toni probably heard 100 times she should come out vintage racing with us. As long as it's not in P2 middleweight, I'm all for it.  ::)

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« Reply #464 on: November 11, 2012, 08:26:19 PM »
Personally I think she should give sidecars a try.  She's done just about everything else. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #465 on: November 12, 2012, 05:43:29 PM »
Congrats to all the vintage racers as living the passion to follow a dream or something you enjoy makes life richer (and often your wallet smaller, much smaller ;D )

+ 1 on the smaller and lighter wallet....good thing our seasons are short up here in the North! :)

Brent, I have to agree you have one nice looking and clearly a performing bike!
Brian & Tim, congrats on a great year as well!

Thanks! Awards are nice, but getting together with the people you race with at the track, and in the off season, is what I like the most.

She as good looking in person? A woman who is attractive, rides, and is a racer; clearly a winning combination!

Heck yeah, she's as hot as ever! :) Here's Brent and I accepting our awards(Brent #1(right), and me #2(left) for Period 2 MiddleWeightProduction) with Toni.



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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #466 on: November 13, 2012, 04:11:30 AM »
Great job all,y'all still chasing women on motorcycvles!!!! ;) ;D 8) 8) Bill
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #467 on: November 13, 2012, 08:07:24 AM »
Congratulations on your well deserved awards!
It's great to see both of you being recognized for your hard efforts and skilled riding.

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #468 on: December 13, 2012, 08:10:53 PM »
My 6spd gearbox works very well, but I do miss shifts on occasion. My attempt at a remedy is threefold.

1) Because the 6spd CB360 shift drum cam has an extra detent roller slot (6 compared to 5) there isn't need for quite as much "travel" of the 550 shifter shaft. I machined a bushing to fit over the end of the return spring pin which will reduce both shifter shaft travel & drum rotation. I believe with slight over rotation the detent roller didn't always center in the cam slot and would result in a false neutral.




2) The cam plate seems to be a stamped piece and as a result isn't a smooth surface for the detent roller. Hondas rollers also wear with time and can become quite sloppy. I picked the best of the ones I had but wasn't really happy. The 550 main detent roller is only 2.3mm wide but the cam is fully 3mm wide. I decided to try 3mm wide mini ball bearing rollers so the rolling surfaces matched widths.

The larger CB550 roller's OD is more than 1mm larger than the CB360 counterpart, potentially not locating the drum into position as well as should be. So now the bearing roller OD is smaller plus it and the cam rolling surfaces were smoothed and polished as well. Both bearings are identical, but just pressed on a machined piece to enlarge one.







3) I felt a slightly stiffer detent bracket spring might help as well. I haven't yet tested the spring rate difference. The neutral roller spring is ok.




This picture shows some of the mods, the relocation of the shift fork shaft, (not centered in the old case hole) and the modified shifter shaft. It sure doesn't look like the intricate Honda manufacturing we're used to, but it works, and hopefully now will work even better. 
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #469 on: December 13, 2012, 08:51:13 PM »
Brent,

Nice...your racing machine and here you are going away and showing the competition a how to have their shifter on their modified CB550 racer shift as nice as your will. 

BTW, while many now recognize the thread as yours, would a rename be out of the question as it is a compendium of racing topics related to the class you race in as well as results and your blog/log of things you wish to share about the ups and downs and victories campaigning your beautiful CB550.
Just a thought.

Now if you really wanted to be in trouble, the rotary shifter drum design of some of the foreign market S90s were quite something... You could go from 4th to neutral in one shift... :eek  it could get ugly on a race bike over reving the motor.  But, there are a couple circumstances a design like that would be handy...probably not in road racing though. More dangerous than any benefit it might have.  Would be great to have that if you didn't use the tranny to downshift/decelerate for compression braking and rolled up to a traffic light stop and then could be back in 1st in no time.

Don't remember, are you having clutch issues with the power your motor is developing? What, if you tell that kind of info, is your bike dyno readings for rear wheel power?  Guess I need to search the thread to find out what you have done on the clutch and when you had to go heavier than generally available.  One of your race launches with a wheelie was definitely showing the power and gearing you chose for that track...no sign of slipping that time. Clearly you haven't had major issues that prevented you from winning, so you overcame them.
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« Reply #470 on: December 14, 2012, 04:23:57 AM »
David, I use the later model clutch basket which is a bit deeper. With some shimming of the hub it allows an extra disc & plate, otherwise stock Honda clutch components & springs and no problems.

However one problem that arose from using a wider detent roller is that the detent bracket needed to be spaced differently to follow the cam correctly. As a result the clutch basket also needed an extra spacer to allow clearance for the mechanism. There isn't much room back there. In turn the clutch hub center was machined the same amount in order to install the mainshaft circlip. There are always consequences. :o

I posted this figuring someone might have advice on what improves (or worsens) this entire shift mechanism. I'm hoping this will help my own situation.
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #471 on: February 09, 2013, 05:17:22 PM »
Have you been successful finding a new clutch basket?

Given the amount of snow flying in the NE in a few storms I imagine your orchards have had some maintenance. 

What kind of projects have you had going this winter?

Building any new street bikes or acquiring parts in the winter ebay season.  Certainly after Christmas and New Years things went flat on sales...people facing credit card bills quit spending.

Have a set of Joe Rocket Atomic 2.0 blue leather gloves that match your jacket...  How big are your hands?  They are 2XL but run a little on the small size.  I bought two pair and only one fits properly...even after dropping lots of weight.

#273 Atomic build...quantum mechanics course?

Are you going to refinish anything over the winter? 
Slippery aero has a lot to do with wetted area and frontal area drag...

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« Reply #472 on: February 12, 2013, 05:14:10 PM »
Coming in 2013-14 to a mailbox(YOURS) .....Brent's 6 speed close ratio custon built Cb500/550 transmission!Price to be determined!!!! ;) ;D....Starts with 4 digits!!! 8)...and worth it!!! Bill
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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #473 on: February 13, 2013, 04:48:47 AM »
I wasn`t ignoring you David, I lost my computer hard drive with recent pics of the original clutch basket.

Colin Tweedy recently had some pics of his clutch basket refining. The damper rubbers certainly aren`t available and it`s obvious that was the issue with the basket I was using. The rivots were fine, but those damping rubbers were toast. I installed a spare I had and will try to source a new basket for improved damping. I did replace the damper rubbers in the primary shaft. (Someone here e-mailed info about a shop that had a new basket but I`ve misplaced it)

Bill my hope is shifting will be slightly improved from where we were...which was good. I expect in the future having new gear-sets made with better block style dogs would be wise, but re-produced for sale is something I`ll leave for you to tackle......in your spare time. ::)

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A new box section swingarm is in the works, then hopefully good to go.

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Re: Picture Time...season final update.
« Reply #474 on: February 13, 2013, 10:34:42 AM »
Yep, just staying ahead of the competition in the off-season.....................of scaring the competition away 8) 8) 8)
Congrats on your success :)
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