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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2011, 07:21:24 AM »
I can think of another reason.  The Moon.

I have an old telephoto lens my Dad had.  He always referred to it as a 450mm lens, but he didn't take into account the extender that was on it.  It is almost 2 feet long, 3 pieces(1 piece being about 6" of sun shade), and has a tripod mount at the mid point. Aim it at the moon, and it will fill the screen- without it being a full moon.


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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2011, 07:53:19 PM »
Wow guys keep the info rolling. Love reading all this stuff.
I still have my Bronica SQA, 2 120 backs, metered head, all ps lenses 50, 80 and 150. with extension tubes.
It is really hard to beat that quality. I have some very nice slides of England and elsewhere.

So hear is the million dollar ?
Is film still king?
But if I can get photo quality 20x30 with the D7000. Why do I need to spend money on film?

Paul

I'm soon to make my purchase.
Keep the info rolling.

I'm getting the bug again and can easily shoot $1,000 worth of film in a summer or sooner.

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2011, 04:45:37 PM »
I just went and brought my film bodies down to this store and 3 bodies Minolta X-700 with 2 standard lenses one minolta 35-70 zoom 3.5 constant f stop. other vivitar 70-200 3.5 something. 2 motor winders. said i'm looking at $300.00 or there around.
I should take it while I can huh?
Plus they have a 80-200 2.8 nikon for $750.00. asked if I would like cash or to trade on anything. I'm figuring I should put the money towards the80-200 2.8 lens. I'm kinda looking at it as I got the lens for 450.00. Cant beat that. 6 month warranty.

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2011, 06:08:14 PM »
The back focus distance - distance from mounting ring to image plane - is fixed for a given lens, you can change it a bit but the focus ring would need to be reset and the actual mechanism doesn't allow much adjustment.
That means, if you can use "film" lenses on a digital camera, back focus is the same for digital or "film" lenses. Most of the major film camera makers kept the back focus and the mounting ring the same so we can use our old lenses with the new cameras. Saying "50mm doesn't equal 50mm" isn't exactly true. A 50 is a 50 is a 50. The "50mm" means the image size at the film plane is the same as if you put a pinhole 50mm from the film plane.
A "normal" lens is the lens that gives an image that looks "normal" to us - our eyes see the world about the same. A shorter or longer lens looks odd, you can tell it's a wide angle or telephoto shot. For 35mm the "normal" lens is 50mm or so, so usually you get that lfocal ength first or at least a zoom including it. For Hasselblad type 6x9 cameras somewhere around a 85mm lens is "normal". For an 11x17" view camera the "normal" lens is a long focal length indeed!
The lens that is "normal" for a digital camera is different if the imager size is not exactly the size of a 35mm film frame. Most imagers are smaller, so the "normal" lens is shorter. A 50mm lens is a slight telephoto in this case. A high quality "film" lens is still a high quality lens, and will give excellent results with a digital camera. You just have to adapt your use of the sizes you're familiar with if you were a 35mm photographer.

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2011, 07:36:43 PM »
The back focus distance - distance from mounting ring to image plane - is fixed for a given lens, you can change it a bit but the focus ring would need to be reset and the actual mechanism doesn't allow much adjustment.
That means, if you can use "film" lenses on a digital camera, back focus is the same for digital or "film" lenses. Most of the major film camera makers kept the back focus and the mounting ring the same so we can use our old lenses with the new cameras. Saying "50mm doesn't equal 50mm" isn't exactly true. A 50 is a 50 is a 50. The "50mm" means the image size at the film plane is the same as if you put a pinhole 50mm from the film plane.
A "normal" lens is the lens that gives an image that looks "normal" to us - our eyes see the world about the same. A shorter or longer lens looks odd, you can tell it's a wide angle or telephoto shot. For 35mm the "normal" lens is 50mm or so, so usually you get that lfocal ength first or at least a zoom including it. For Hasselblad type 6x9 cameras somewhere around a 85mm lens is "normal". For an 11x17" view camera the "normal" lens is a long focal length indeed!
The lens that is "normal" for a digital camera is different if the imager size is not exactly the size of a 35mm film frame. Most imagers are smaller, so the "normal" lens is shorter. A 50mm lens is a slight telephoto in this case. A high quality "film" lens is still a high quality lens, and will give excellent results with a digital camera. You just have to adapt your use of the sizes you're familiar with if you were a 35mm photographer.


Yes, That's why i'm trying not to get the DX lenses. So when I do move up to full frame I will be able to use my lenses i'm buying now. Just put my Tamron 300 2.8 on the D7000 and shot about 100 shots in the store. All handheld and now I know I can use the lens and get some stunning shots.

Paul

I like fixed lenses but couldnt pass on the 80-200 2.8
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2011, 08:29:14 AM »
Below is a pretty good explanation. I agree your sticking with 'standard' lenses rather than anything tailored to smaller digital image sensors. They are improving the sensors (getting bigger and more affordable) all the time. It's all about 'field of view' dictated by the sensor dimensions.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/crop-factor.htm
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2011, 07:19:02 AM »
I just helped the guy next door install a toilet so we started talking and they just bought a digital. He say's you can have the old film one for helping. Well another 50.00 towards my lens   super nice.
I should be picking it up tomorrow or this weekend.

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2011, 08:26:58 AM »
What make/model was the "old film" one?
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2011, 09:16:46 AM »
I never loaded another roll of film once I went digital.

Boo! You're helping to kill the film industry for those of us who still use it.  :'( ;D
The last roll of Kodachrome was processed tihs yesr. Kodak stopped producing the chemicals.  :(
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2011, 09:20:52 AM »
Yeah, Dwayne's in Kansas may still be trying to climb out from under their workload from the 12/31 deadline. I never shot too much Kodachrome and there are other Fugi products still available for color shooter... at least for now.  ;D
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2011, 05:04:08 PM »
What make/model was the "old film" one?

Minolta X-700

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2011, 05:47:48 AM »
Sadly, though a good camera in its day, your est. of its worth is pretty accurate. If I weren't Nikon committed...  ;)
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2011, 06:40:18 AM »
Sadly, though a good camera in its day, your est. of its worth is pretty accurate. If I weren't Nikon committed...  ;)

Sadly indeed.  There's a flood of excellent 35mm cameras out there.  Heck, I've got a Nikon D70 (dslr) that was $1200 new and nearly worthless now.  My D7000 will be "nearly worthless" in 3 to 5 years :).  Time marches on and the cadence accelerates.  
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2011, 06:49:20 AM »
How true. I'm still a fan of film, particularly B&W, but shoot an 'old' digital SLR and won't venture into the digital market again until Something like the Nikon D3x is more affordable. At the rate things are moving, it might even happen in my lifetime.  ;D
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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2011, 10:35:48 AM »
How true. I'm still a fan of film, particularly B&W, but shoot an 'old' digital SLR and won't venture into the digital market again until Something like the Nikon D3x is more affordable. At the rate things are moving, it might even happen in my lifetime.  ;D
This is true. I had a Topcon RE Super (sold in the US as Super D) I picked up in Okinawa from some GI that used up all his pay. I enrolled in an Art School and studied under a partner of Edwin Weston and Ansel Adams, they were in a group called F64.

I had a great time and learned a lot. Actually held original Adams and Weston contact prints in my hands. We had to shoot develop, enlarge and crop our own work and have it critiqued at MOMA. We also built a pinhole camera so we could learn about using the amazing depth of field it offered.

Alas, all my cameras are now sitting idle. It is just to damn easy for me to shoot some high res digitals, load it on my laptop and do things that that would take hours in a darkroom.

There is something about how you can work with the grain and shadows you can get on film that is missing on digital. I guess I realize the world will not turn backwards for me.
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2011, 11:34:15 AM »
Yea, pinholes are fun. I hang out at F295 occasionally. Take a pinhole camera, "snap" a pic and then develop it in coffee. It doesn't get much more basic than that and the picture is surprisingly good on both counts. Folks are usually amazed.. before they turn back to their digicams.  ;)
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2011, 10:05:34 PM »
How true. I'm still a fan of film, particularly B&W, but shoot an 'old' digital SLR and won't venture into the digital market again until Something like the Nikon D3x is more affordable. At the rate things are moving, it might even happen in my lifetime.  ;D
This is true. I had a Topcon RE Super (sold in the US as Super D) I picked up in Okinawa from some GI that used up all his pay. I enrolled in an Art School and studied under a partner of Edwin Weston and Ansel Adams, they were in a group called F64.

I had a great time and learned a lot. Actually held original Adams and Weston contact prints in my hands. We had to shoot develop, enlarge and crop our own work and have it critiqued at MOMA. We also built a pinhole camera so we could learn about using the amazing depth of field it offered.

Alas, all my cameras are now sitting idle. It is just to damn easy for me to shoot some high res digitals, load it on my laptop and do things that that would take hours in a darkroom.

There is something about how you can work with the grain and shadows you can get on film that is missing on digital. I guess I realize the world will not turn backwards for me.


Agree, Bobby, there is nothing like BW.  I think it was Weston that said, it is so easy to fake it with color, a black and white image has to stand on its merits of composition.   BTW, did you ever know Cam Hitchcock?...Larry

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2011, 01:34:46 AM »
i dont know a thing about cameras,point and shoot,my wife bought me a little canon power shot a530 all the pictures i post here are shot with it,it suits my use idealy,i had an old canon T50 SLR 35 mm  for years,it had i think a 70mm lens that did macro,i took some really good pet photos and car stuff,i bought it for 200 from a mate in about 93,i just recently sold it private for 90 bucks in a good bag,i found in my rubbish job(skip bin driver)a spot matic,i ran a roll through it and it worked,i sold it for 50 at a pawn shop,,,last week i found like from the 1900s an old wooden glass plate camera,it wouldnt concertina out as it was so stiff and fragile and filthy,it was called i think a lancaster "amateur"no lens on it,i gave it to my bosses brother who hoards old junk.

EDIT ,i just googled it,1898. http://www.historiccamera.com/cgi-bin/librarium/pm.cgi?action=display&login=amatuercamera
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2011, 11:59:44 AM »
How true. I'm still a fan of film, particularly B&W, but shoot an 'old' digital SLR and won't venture into the digital market again until Something like the Nikon D3x is more affordable. At the rate things are moving, it might even happen in my lifetime.  ;D
This is true. I had a Topcon RE Super (sold in the US as Super D) I picked up in Okinawa from some GI that used up all his pay. I enrolled in an Art School and studied under a partner of Edwin Weston and Ansel Adams, they were in a group called F64.

I had a great time and learned a lot. Actually held original Adams and Weston contact prints in my hands. We had to shoot develop, enlarge and crop our own work and have it critiqued at MOMA. We also built a pinhole camera so we could learn about using the amazing depth of field it offered.

Alas, all my cameras are now sitting idle. It is just to damn easy for me to shoot some high res digitals, load it on my laptop and do things that that would take hours in a darkroom.

There is something about how you can work with the grain and shadows you can get on film that is missing on digital. I guess I realize the world will not turn backwards for me.


Agree, Bobby, there is nothing like BW.  I think it was Weston that said, it is so easy to fake it with color, a black and white image has to stand on its merits of composition.   BTW, did you ever know Cam Hitchcock?...Larry

No actually I was at arms length. Willard Van Dyke was the head of our dept and he helped form F64. We did not have a very good relationship after I punched one of his swishy friends at a party.   
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2011, 04:33:57 PM »
Cam was a friend of mine who studied with Minor White(your swishy target by any chance;).

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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2011, 04:56:13 PM »
No no, it was not Minor White who was am amazing artist. Photographers can be artists. This was some Upper West Side pseudo liberal, who was trying to be oh so witty in front of his pseudo intellectual friends. Someone innocently let it out I drove a gunship in Nam. This asshat had the nerve ask me in a loud tone if I got "extra points" for hitting kids, since they are smaller. I was a bit touchy then so I whacked him.

Your friend studied with the one of the masters like White, so he learned composition and to express what he saw and felt rather than what the subject actually looked like. Ansel Adams had a real big thing for the ladies, White had a thing for guys, to each his own.
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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »
New ? Now
I'm getting the 80-200 2.8 looks' like maybe 350 for my old gear. I'm going to try and see if they will take 50 off the lens.
Now.
I'm looking to shop around. looking to spend 800 to 1200 on a body.
What would you look at?

The shop I'm dealing with now also has a very clean low # Nikon D300 for 1200
I don't really like the video in the new camera's but looks like there all getting video.
Is the 7000 that much better or vise versa? for about the same price. I see the 300 used for about 1000 so I might try and talk them down on the body.

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Re: Photo Guy's need your advice.
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2011, 05:28:01 AM »
Check reviews oh the various models on, say Ken Rockwell's site. Itmight help make yor decision.
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