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My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« on: April 01, 2006, 11:09:32 AM »
I bought this bike a couple of days ago. Who knows which one is it?

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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2006, 11:20:44 AM »
It looks like an Ogar kinda. I'm prolly way off. The engine looks more like a Japanese single than the Ogars though, I dunno.
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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 11:42:09 AM »
Is there a prize for this?

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2006, 12:37:27 PM »
hi raul, could be cz? mz? jawa? or maybe a puch? :-\   mick.
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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2006, 12:42:09 PM »
1800 euro. It's a runner. Up to now all the guessing is a far shot. Any more ideas?

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2006, 01:01:38 PM »
simpson? ural? cossack? early yamaha?  :D  mick.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2006, 01:06:37 PM »
simpson? ural? cossack? early yamaha? :D mick.

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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2006, 01:43:52 PM »
Is there a prize for this?

Just the feeling of acomplishment for finding the answer and the recognition from the rest of the forum members... ;-)

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2006, 02:00:12 PM »
OK - is it Japanese,  maybe one those from the 50s called Lilac Bloom or something like that?  Give us a hint, Raul

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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2006, 02:03:16 PM »
maybe a Vohskod? Hell i dont know how to spell it but it looks 70's Russian
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2006, 02:07:15 PM »
I have no Idea what the bike is and for sure I don’t want one, I thought 400/350 owners had a strange taste, well you 750/550 people I’ll never understand  ;D

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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2006, 03:31:26 PM »
Sanglas roadster. 500cc single.

edited to add:

Before they were bought by Yamaha they were a Spanish firm.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2006, 05:24:11 PM »
I think we may have a winner here.  ;)

But then you probably already knew that when you posted.  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2006, 07:51:43 PM »
I think we may have a winner here.  ;)

But then you probably already knew that when you posted.  ;D

yep, books are your friends!  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2006, 01:12:47 AM »
Sanglas roadster. 500cc single.

edited to add:

Before they were bought by Yamaha they were a Spanish firm.

Phaedrus has been the closest one. The brand is correct, but not the model. Which book did you get the info from? I have a lot of books, so I would like to check it in case I also have it.


It's a Sanglas, a spanish brand founded in the early forties. They had the same luck than most of the british marques: the japanese killed the spanish industry as well. The bike was manufactured in 1974.

There is something about that model that makes it special, at least for the spaniards. Does anybody of you out there knows what is it?


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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2006, 01:57:03 AM »
Well it's not a mighty GS1000 Raul, but I do find it oddly attractive, so well done! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2006, 03:19:33 AM »
Well it's not a mighty GS1000 Raul, but I do find it oddly attractive, so well done! Cheers, Terry. ;D

I was thinking the same the other day. The price was the same, but the Suzy is much more reliable, powerful, and spares much more available. Nevertheless, I don't have any sentimental connection with the Suzuki, and I do with the Sanglas. I did a test run yesterday and there are some things to do. The clutch seems to slip a little, but I found myself with a big smile in my face.

I'm afraid I will have to let the Suzuki pass by this time. My marriage will not withstand two bike purchases in the same year...


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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2006, 07:42:54 AM »
Which book did you get the info from? I have a lot of books, so I would like to check it in case I also have it.

I found it in Classic Motorcycles by Roland Brown.  Roadster was just a descriptor they gave the bike in the book, but it is a 500cc single right? S1 or an S2 seems to be the model from a bit more 'net research.  Am I getting closer?
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2006, 08:11:19 AM »
i said early" yamaha" ;)  mick.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2006, 08:15:37 AM »
I also have that book. There is a picture of one similar to mine -in purple colour, not standard BTW-. Thanks for taking the time to browse through the pages until you find a similar bike. There is a half-size book by Roland Brown called "On two wheels", that is exactly the same "Classic motorcycle" book. Don't ask me how I know...

Sanglas is almost unknown outside Spain, except in Ireland -where the Army was using that very same bike-, and in Germany, where a few were sold and there are some loyal clubs. Sanglas was the only big marque that built 4-strokes roadsters, as Montesa, Bultaco and Ossa had a great international success, but mostly on off-road 2 strokes.

In a country devastated by the civil war, it took a lot of entrepreneurial spirit to build a motorcycle industry from scratch. There was a boycott to Spain so there was no way to import things, and the dictator Franco promoted the "autarchy", that is, to produce in house as much as possible without having to depend from imports.

The first Sanglas produced was introduced... without tyres. There was no way to get them. The aluminium for the crankcases was recycled from the army kitchenware. It was so porous that the cranks had to be coated with a special varnish from inside.

The Sanglas singles were not as powerful or quick as the Bultacos or Montesas, and were even more expensive, so they didn't have much success in the market. But Sanglas managed to win contracts with the Guardia Civil -a spanish corp similar to the state troopers that had competences on traffic, imports and exports, terrorism- and many local polices, and that was a steady flow of income.

The model I've bought is the 400E, a 422 cc single that was the first to have electric start. It needs a "decompressor", a lever that keeps the valve open before pushing the start button. Otherwise, the shaft of the starter motor gets bend if it is unable to overcome the initial compression without momentum. It has a "tiny" 40Ah battery under the seat.

I love it because of the nostalgie factor, as there were many of them on the roads in public service. Also, is a homage to a now extinct spanish motorcycle industrie that was created from scratch 40 years later than everybody else and was able to sell their bikes all around the world.

The 500 cc single was a later addition, at the end of the 80's. That was never a Guardia Civil model but it is a good sportster, capable of 100 mph. They are less coveted so maybe I will get one if the price is right. As a proof of the lack of resources, all the models across the range shared many components, so it's common to see "Frankenstein" models with mixed fenders, gas tanks and exhausts.

The one I bought served in the Guardia Civil and was bought in an auction. Nowadays, police or army vehicles are not auctioned anymore, though there are auctions of public-use vehicles such as the Post service, or court vehicles.


I couldn't help to smile ear to ear while I test ride it the other day. As opposed to the Suzuki, I was riding a bike that served for my country and I felt the need to keep that heritage. I could have never imagined I would speak like that, guess I'm becoming too old... ;-)


In the eighties, Sanglas was not able to cope with the competition. They signed a contract with Yamaha to buy them near a thousand twin engines, that were rebadged as Sanglas and installed in Sanglas bikes. The spanish government -something as Reagan did- put a high import tariff on them, so those bikes ended up being very expensive. It was the Sanglas 400Y, that sold well in the local market, but just because there was nothing better. Anyway, my bike was built in 1974, years before the Yamaha era. When I look at mi 400E -the best thing Sanglas can do in 1974- and my CB750K1 -three years younger-, it was clear that nobody could stop the japanese back then. Let's see if the chinese can do it today.




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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2006, 09:23:50 AM »


                           Well Raul, you've succeeded in furthering my education in motorcycles of the world. 
         I was way off, I was guessing (like pj) that maybe it was Russian. I really had no idea, just trying
         to make an educated guess. My motorcycling experience began with Jawa and you'd be
         surprised how many have never heard of them. Now, a fair amount of people have heard of CZ
         (from  motocross) but, most have no idea that they were tied to Jaw & ESO (most probably
         didn't know that they built anything but Speedway bikes (also built Scramblers). Well, I guess
         I've gone on enough, thanks again for the lesson on the Sanglas as it was quite interesting.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2006, 09:31:23 AM »


                           Well Raul, you've succeeded in furthering my education in motorcycles of the world. 
         I was way off, I was guessing (like pj) that maybe it was Russian. I really had no idea, just trying
         to make an educated guess. My motorcycling experience began with Jawa and you'd be
         surprised how many have never heard of them. Now, a fair amount of people have heard of CZ
         (from  motocross) but, most have no idea that they were tied to Jaw & ESO (most probably
         didn't know that they built anything but Speedway bikes (also built Scramblers). Well, I guess
         I've gone on enough, thanks again for the lesson on the Sanglas as it was quite interesting.

                                                        Later on, Bill

My pleasure. I know Jawas and MZ's, but that's normal because Spain is nearer to Czchecoslovaquia than the US.

Regarding the Sanglas, I wanted to see if any of you found it similar to the 60's japanese bikes: especially to the Honda "Black Bomber". Anyway, just have a look at any german bike of the 50's like DKW, Adler or the like, and most of them were similar: black with chrome side panels on the tank.

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2006, 10:01:04 AM »

My pleasure. I know Jawas and MZ's, but that's normal because Spain is nearer to Czechoslovakia than the US.

Regarding the Sanglas, I wanted to see if any of you found it similar to the 60's japanese bikes: especially to the Honda "Black Bomber". Anyway, just have a look at any german bike of the 50's like DKW, Adler or the like, and most of them were similar: black with chrome side panels on the tank.
   
      That painted gas tank with chrome sides seemed to be a common thing in Europe back then for sure

      I've heard of and have seen photos of the DKW and the Adler. 2 things I find interesting about the Jawas is that: 1. They had features that no one else had like the gearshift lever that is also the kickstater & the mechanism at the end of the clutch pushrod that activates the clutch every time that the shift lever is moved. 2. They were kind of like VWs in that they didn't have many changes made for many years. For example, I built a 58' Jawa 125 from parts and basically it had the same design as the 63' Jawa 250 & 70' Jawa 350  that I now have. Dimensions are a little larger for the larger bikes but, you could swap parts from a 50's 250 with another from the 60's.
I know that there are a lot of bikes, that were and probably still being made, that lots of us don't even know about. Another one from my past that might be unknown to some is the Parilla. Ever heard of that one? Later on, Bill
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2006, 10:15:56 AM »
Parilla? Sure, it was an italian bike. European and american bikes are very different in concept. American market needed big displacement bikes to cover long distances; european market needed lightweights to give mobility to a devastated society after the WWII. But things hasn't changed since in one aspect: when one was successful, the rest started to copy it.


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P.S. What's your opinion about the look of the Sanglas. Please be honest, and when I say honest I mean honest.

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Re: My new bike: a test of your motorcycle knowledge.
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2006, 11:07:42 AM »
Piss easy...... "what bike is this?"    Its YOUR BLEEDING BIKE RAUL INNIT??
I will have my prize in either pounds sterling or alternatively I will of course take the pharamaceutical option.     "well done kaceyf2, you are correct, it IS MY bike, and you have a nice prize winging its way accross the big pond to you" is the correct response to this particular issue. All competitioin deadlines have been met, terms and conditions do apply and have been correctly adhered to, no correspondence can be or will be entered into, the judges (me and Soo's)decision is final and binding.
Nice bike.
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It wasn't a Previous Owner who didnt know what he was doing that messed up your bike, it was The Previous owners mate who THOUGHT that HE did.