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Fixing a POS stockade fence.. project/ weathering a new fence
« on: February 28, 2011, 04:13:12 PM »
My dad brought out 'professionals' to put up a new fence a couple years ago. I could have done it myself, but he insisted on being in a hurry. There was a tree on the property line removed and the neighbors decided to have  new fence put up, so he ended up paying close to $700 about two and a half panels hung, along with three new galvanized posts. The previous fence had stood 20 years and did not have any urgent need to be replaced.

I thought I would do a post (rant) for the wonderment of people who call themselves 'professionals.' I would also encourage anyone with a back to do their own work like this.

After the check was drafted, the fence company called and asked for their money. The person who installed it had given him a story that he had bought the company and to make the check out to him. A day later the company called and asked us to cancel the check.

Within a month we could tell that the fence was a POS. Three or four letters back and forth to the BBB resulted in nothing but a waste of time.

Yes, that is a fan belt holding one gate up.  Last time we left town it fell down completely, so the city puts a sign in the yard informing us of a code violation and gives us a week to fix it or get cited and fined.

The idiot had hung two gates, and he had hung them both on a 6" piece of wood that was held by a small bracket, and an excess number of screws that caused it to fall apart. (idiot!) I can't explain it because he cut one of the panels short so it could have this 'splice' between the panel and gate. Two years later the gates were falling down and we're getting threats of citation for this POS by code enforcement. Time to do it right.
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Re: Fixing a POS stockade fence.. project/ weathering a new fence
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 04:21:45 PM »
This and many other dogey things i have seen over the years working in and around the building trade made me decide that if i were ever to build a house, fence or even the concrete work that i would be doing it myself, i have an "owner builder" license and now do all this stuff myself. Unfortunately these days, if you want something done correctly you have to do it yourself.....I feel your anguish ...

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 04:33:05 PM »
Finally got around to buying a couple cedar panels. I got some 'transparent' grey stain so it would match the color of the house that turned out not-so-transparent. Always do a test area.

A friend said I shouldn't use it- it would make my pretty new panels look old. I found some better colored stain so it would show the grain.  I did want to have them look weathered a bit so I mixed a bit of grey in some of the new batch to highlight the lee side of each picket, then used the golden rod color to wash over the whole picket.

Hopefully this makes it stand out as a little more 3 dimentional, too. I never did like the look of freshly new stained fence, this will make it look slighty weathered without looking replacement time old.

I'll probably just hang the panels and cut the gates later- got to go out of town again.

Wound't want to be "Fence on the ground, fence on the ground,Lookin like a fool with my fence on the ground."
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Re: Fixing a POS stockade fence.. project/ weathering a new fence
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 04:46:57 PM »
Working around people that do work like you experienced, and the constant fight to get someone to do what the contract required convinced me to look for more honest work.


Try competing against people who do work like that for customers who are incapable of distinguishing between you and them.   

It will cause you to drink, and I did. 



You have to have a license to work on your own home in Australia? Or are we talking about a building permit?

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 04:56:01 PM »
If you are doing anything structural it has to be performed by a licensed tradesman unless of course you have an owner builders license. I can now either repair, modify or build an entire house it also allows me to bypass an architect and do all the drawings myself, the license i have also comes complete with all building code regulations and load ratings..

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 05:13:06 PM »
Does that mean your license comes with a code book you should follow?

I had a commercial builders license, I could build anything except highways and specialty buildings like power plants. 

In North Carolina as long as standard building code requirement is met and you are working on your own property, you do not need a license. Your work will be inspected at key points and if you prove to be incompetent they will shut you down.

As a Licensed Contractor I could build residential structures without an architect or structural engineer.

A drawing is not required by the State, but some localities will require a drawing. Anyone can make a residential drawing and as long as it contains the correct instructions for what is being built. The Building Standards Department will review/help make the drawing but they are a grumpy bunch.

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 05:43:20 PM »
The wife's new favorite TV show is on HGTV, "Holmes On Homes".  This guy goes across Canada helping homeowners who have been screwed by contractors.  Some of these shows make Tree's issues look like normal wear and tear.  One show was on a rec room where there were almost 25 electric junction boxes, most of which had no covers and hidden behind drywall.
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 06:00:00 PM »
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Does that mean your license comes with a code book you should follow?

Exactly, we have pretty strict building codes because of our weather, all buildings have to be Cyclone {hurricane rated} in Queensland where i live and all the specific load ratings come in the manual supplied with the license. Inspections are still part of the process but it saves a lot of time and money to have the freedom to do it yourself. I do a lot of my electrical and plumbing as well and have friends {tradies} look over my work so it can be signed off on, only the building work can be done by myself unless i am actually qualified to do the rest....
Sorry for the hijack but itis for the same reasons the OP stated that i prefer to do my own work... ;)


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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 06:12:46 PM »
The wife's new favorite TV show is on HGTV, "Holmes On Homes".  This guy goes across Canada helping homeowners who have been screwed by contractors.  Some of these shows make Tree's issues look like normal wear and tear.  One show was on a rec room where there were almost 25 electric junction boxes, most of which had no covers and hidden behind drywall.

Yeah, it's really no big deal here, and I can make something far better that will last 20 years. I actually used to hang fence for a while. I even got the hard part covered by borrowing a power auger from a friend.

I like the one where This old house's  Bob Vila sold a lemon house to someone and was sued in court. They grilled him (I think it was 60 minutes). Questions like "do you have a contractor's licence? Do you have an architecture degree?, etc., were all given the short answer, 'No.'

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 10:14:24 PM »
The wife's new favorite TV show is on HGTV, "Holmes On Homes".  This guy goes across Canada helping homeowners who have been screwed by contractors.  Some of these shows make Tree's issues look like normal wear and tear.  One show was on a rec room where there were almost 25 electric junction boxes, most of which had no covers and hidden behind drywall.

We love that show.  One of our favorites was one where a couple had paid a "pro" to build a retaining wall, that was neither a wall, nor did it retain anything, including its shape.
So, Big Mike came in and built a wall that would be worthy of stopping truck bombs at an embassy in (insert current dissolving country here).  It was awesome! 

On the other hand, he's the kind of guy that could find a cracked switchplate and pretty soon the drywall is being torn down and wires are being rerouted.   :D
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Re: Fixing a POS stockade fence.. project/ weathering a new fence
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »
I worked about 15 years in the building trades doing brick cleaning and caulking.  A lot of the homes we worked on were $500,00 and up.  I could not believe the quality or lack of, that these so called tradesmen and builders tried to pass off on the home owners.  We were cleaning brick on one house and the builder told us to stop as we were flooding the basement.  The builder said the caulking must be at fault.  My partner went into the basement and found the poured basement walls were cracked.  This was a house that was not even finished yet! 

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2011, 01:47:42 PM »
This and many other dogey things i have seen over the years working in and around the building trade made me decide that if i were ever to build a house, fence or even the concrete work that i would be doing it myself, i have an "owner builder" license and now do all this stuff myself. Unfortunately these days, if you want something done correctly you have to do it yourself.....I feel your anguish ...

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Have a look at this RR. I got around to putting up the fence,  and I can cut gates later when I have more time.


Pinhead used 1.5" screws to screw the thing together.    Just bury the heads an  inch deep into the 2 x and it actually tacks it together with a guaranteed quick failure.  Genius!
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2011, 02:55:15 PM »
Thats pretty cheap work there mate, we generally use galvanised hex head batton screws which are far bigger than those silly little screws and last for years. Was that guy even licensed.? We also usually put a box steel frame on gates so they don't sag and use large hinges....Your work looks good, what fasteners did you end up using.?
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2011, 03:07:25 PM »
Thats pretty cheap work there mate, we generally use galvanised hex head batton screws which are far bigger than those silly little screws and last for years. Was that guy even licensed.? We also usually put a box steel frame on gates so they don't sag and use large hinges....Your work looks good, what fasteners did you end up using.?

I don't think they do any licensing other than a business license. The guy said he was buying the company and to make the checks out to him. Then the company called...asked to cancel the check. Still didn't make it right, we had contacted Better Business Bureau a month after it was up.

I figure I'll weld up a couple bed frames rectangles to size and  brace the gates. The screws that were available were called "DECKMATE" brand. I used 3" that have a beige rust proof coating. The box says they won't rust or streak and guaranteed for life. Same thing as the shortys the pinhead used, it appears. Maybe I can recover a few of his for the gavanized bracing. Still need to do adjusting so I haven't screwed it all down, but it's handling  today's 40 mph gusts pretty well so far, much better than what was there before.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 03:58:01 PM »
Sounds like the guy was a bit shonky mate. You must have some sort of qualifications here related to building, recently a local kid was killed when a poorly made brick fence fell on him, now there's a good reason to have someone qualified to do the work....
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2011, 04:24:42 PM »
Sounds like the guy was a bit shonky mate. You must have some sort of qualifications here related to building, recently a local kid was killed when a poorly made brick fence fell on him, now there's a good reason to have someone qualified to do the work....

Well for one If I can't tell by looking I can measure a board to see what size screw it takes to tack it to something. I Still can't find my laser level around is why I wanted to wait to finish, other than the time priorities.

I did actually work on a bunch of houses foundation up. Not much electricty at all and only basic plumbing but other than that I can fix most problems or rip it out and start new.

One of the coolest things I worked on was a 15,000 sq.ft. log building. There were a bunch of guys that trumped themselves up as master carpenters there. They went through half the windows and cut the brick molds 2" on one side and 5" on the other. When they got to the front door I stopped them and showed them how to use a planer and a brain  to make things symmetrical.

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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2011, 05:05:55 PM »
That is an awesome looking cabin....I always wanted to build something like that. I have some {52} 6 metre logs that weigh over a ton each, always wanted to build something using them, post and beam construction and very rustic looking....
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2011, 05:13:51 PM »
That is an awesome looking cabin....I always wanted to build something like that. I have some {52} 6 metre logs that weigh over a ton each, always wanted to build something using them, post and beam construction and very rustic looking....


It's actually a 15 (or so) room bed and breakfast.

These logs were designed and  pre-cut in B.C. and shipped in and built like Lincoln logs. The look is great.

Log buildings present problems. With  a stick frame there is little or no shrinkage along the length of the stud. Logs contract and  expand considerably, seasonally and with climactic changes.This is notorious for causing problems for sheetrock, plumbing and windows, that can he eliminated with thought and planning and expansion joints on pipes.

One of the other things I helped the master carpenters with was making them think about the windows , which slide on slots and pins relative to the motion of the logs. They had the slots wrong (upside down)  which would have eventually crushed out all the windows. They pulled them apart and put them right before installing the trim.

Logs buildings are notoriously leaky if not done right, but you do get about 1 R per inch of wood if it is chinked properly.


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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2011, 05:21:15 PM »
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Log buildings present problems. With  a stick frame there is little or no shrinkage along the length of the stud. Logs contract and  expand considerably, seasonally and with climactic changes.This is notorious for causing problems for sheetrock, plumbing and windows, that can he eliminated with thought and planning.

Probably a little different here. The wood is cured hardwood, ironbark to be precise and it has a hardness rating of F17+, very hard timber.
http://www.timber.net.au/?option=com_species&name=Red%20Ironbark&Itemid=452
All my logs came from an old train bridge, they are called bridge girders and are extremely dry after being in the sun for 30-40 years. After removing all signs of bolts and rust scale, we put some through a Lewis mill and cut some boards, they looked great, deep red timber and hard as nails....
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