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Noise bylaw - is this a Canadian issue only???
« on: March 06, 2011, 08:12:21 AM »
I recently read in the local newspaper (Cochrane Times) about a nearby tiny village that is looking into a noise bylaw. This tiny village (Bragg Creek, Alberta) reports in the paper that they are not going to single out motorcycles but that motorcycles are a large part of their concern.

http://www.cochraneeagle.com/2011/03/bragg-creek-noise-bylaw-being-drafted-by-county-2/

There are several disturbing things about this to say the least! Bragg Creek is a very popular stop on a very popular motorcycle route that takes you through some very pretty and twisty roads with some great pubs en route including Bragg Creek.

Edmonton Alberta in 2010 passed a such a noise bylaw and fellow riders have been harassed and ticketed for noise and the news is even catching the attention of our news talk radio stations where they have reported that one such unlucky fellow rider was ticketed twice in one week and has successfully defeated them for reasons surrounding the testing methods. He had "an older Japanese bike" 600cc with a stock muffler from a different Japanese bike...

Is this a Canadian issue or is this type of non nonsense enforced elsewhere???

Perhaps someone could invent a motorcycle muffler sound that mimics a barking dog!?!?  ;)


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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2011, 08:29:57 AM »
 Fight it, drag as many tickets as you can into court..

 Think is bad there, you should see the new "no-fun on a bike laws" that BC now has... >:(   >:(
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2011, 08:30:17 AM »
Seems like a revenue grabber to me :o  PA does have a noise law on the state inspection but it is rarely enforced unless the municipality needs money...Larry

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 08:50:14 AM »
Wow, many ways to defeat this flimsy ordinance.
Dogs, jake brakes, loud cars, airplanes would all be suspect under this new ordinance.
Pretty much any construction equipment utilized in this hamlet would be deemed a nuisance also- gonna have a lot of disrepair in town after this passes.

If I were you and I wanted this gone I would go out and do a bunch of citizen arrests and issue citations to appear in court, just make sure you have your calibrated noise level meter handy whenever you issue these citations. Make sure to write some up for the councilpeople or their family members in town if they ever are in violation, that will get it stricken pretty quickly.  :)
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 08:57:38 AM »
Hi gang.I think we all better get used to more enforcement as time goes on and we can thank our straight pipe cruiser pals and their open collectered sportbike cronies for this happening.I have been riding since '68 and have never experienced the level of obnoxious behaviour noise wise as we deal with now.I am no prude and have had aftermarket pipes on both my Hondas and know enough to keep the loud handle muted around built up areas and certainly my own neighbourhood.  Rock On But Quietly
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Re: Noise bylaw - is this a Canadian issue only???
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 09:01:24 AM »
my response to this is Make them turn down the boom boxes and rap music first

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 09:06:46 AM »
Who? Them damn Rumspringa Amish kids?

 
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 09:17:48 AM »
The lake pipes on my 78k could probably get me a ticket in Edmonton from here... I didn't put them on there and I'm replacing them this spring but the PO was definitely one of the trouble makers around here... I heard some talk of Regina trying to implement this stupid f'n law and I imagine cutouts will be coming back into style REAL quick if it happens
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 10:16:05 AM »
Fight it, drag as many tickets as you can into court..

 Think is bad there, you should see the new "no-fun on a bike laws" that BC now has... >:(   >:(

what crazy laws are those 754?

am i missing something?
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 10:38:42 AM »
Get caught at 26kms over speedlimit, you can be walking home..
 
 Spin a few doughnuts on snow, get your car taken away a few days..

 .06 lose your car..

 Hope you dont get injured during the arrest.

 A cop in B.C.runs over a kid on a motorcyle, kills him.. he leaves the scene, goes home pounds back a drink or two and drops his child off, then returns to scene. It is the same cop that led the other cops, at the airport incident where the Polish fellow got killed. This officer is still drawing pay while they decide what to do with him..

 I ask you Roach, are you fine with all that?
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 12:36:42 PM »
Get caught at 26kms over speedlimit, you can be walking home..
 
 Spin a few doughnuts on snow, get your car taken away a few days..

 .06 lose your car..

 Hope you dont get injured during the arrest.

 A cop in B.C.runs over a kid on a motorcyle, kills him.. he leaves the scene, goes home pounds back a drink or two and drops his child off, then returns to scene. It is the same cop that led the other cops, at the airport incident where the Polish fellow got killed. This officer is still drawing pay while they decide what to do with him..

 I ask you Roach, are you fine with all that?

well considering i knew the kid who got ran over by the cop... lets put it this way the guy moved out of town. but i still think he should have seen a jail cell cops will always cover for other cops thats why the cops shouldnt be investigating them selves.

as for the .06 i dont think it will be around for much longer without proper public transit..the vancouver restaurants are suffering way to much they said that something like 40 restaurants are going to be shutting there doors for good because they have no body going to them and the people who go arnt buying any booze sooo.. 2 of vancouvers top restaurants/bars have already shut down.

as for the 26kmph rule i have lost my license twice already going through that stupid graduated licensing program "had top do with speeding not DUI" if i loose it again i wont see it for 2 to 5 years im better off not stoping  ::)

but in the end i just dont speed!!!
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2011, 12:40:07 PM »
oh and if your doing donuts in the snow do it somewhere where there are no cops not in the middle of your street
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2011, 12:46:17 PM »
 On his last visit Funjimmy put it like this;
 Do you know how easy it is to suddenly be more than 25 clicks over, on a Buell or modern sportbike?

 He was running without speedo, now he uses a GPS..

 When I started riding in B.C., we were mainly worried about getting caught, at 50mph (80clicks) over the speed limit. I can remember getting caught doing around 100 in a 50kph, on ,main street.. and getting a plain speeding ticket.. they actually advised me to do that a bit farther out of town...
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2011, 12:55:29 PM »
its just that my thinking is that if your passing cars on the coquihalla or the number one going out of van to the interior or any highway for that matter. and your passing them like they are standing still then you deserve to be pulled over.

im not saying that i dont speed when i do i usualy am only about 10-15 over the limit if the limit is 110kph im usualy doing 120-125 depending on traffic and road conditions.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2011, 01:12:46 PM »
These things are like political funding  cash cows. The professional money scrounger /extortionists all dream of having some sort of fund or cause that people will give money to with no expectation of how it will be spent. BC's neighbor to the west had some of the local Democrats get their panties bunched about helicopters and float planes .

They had a little get together where they tried to talk Juneau voters into banning all the people making a living as aviators. They ( a bunch of corrupt political wonks disguised as the 'peace and quiet coalition')  became megalomanic about their demands and made good fools of themselves when it was put to a vote.

Noise ordinance "goes down in flames." Here:

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/100400/Loc_Noise.html

Find the archives slot and at this link and type in "peace and quiet coalition." What a bunch of thug goon nazi totalitarians.

The idea is that you organize against this sh8 and do your best to paint these people as extremests with hidden agendas and let them prove it to be true for themselves.

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 03:54:03 PM »
On his last visit Funjimmy put it like this;
 Do you know how easy it is to suddenly be more than 25 clicks over, on a Buell or modern sportbike?

 He was running without speedo, now he uses a GPS..

 When I started riding in B.C., we were mainly worried about getting caught, at 50mph (80clicks) over the speed limit. I can remember getting caught doing around 100 in a 50kph, on ,main street.. and getting a plain speeding ticket.. they actually advised me to do that a bit farther out of town...

Clocked at 132KM in an 80 zone.

Luckily for me, the RCPM officer claimed to have been off shift 2 hours earlier.
Makes you wonder why he had his radar on and why he bothered to stop me.
Hopefully the addition of a GPS will help to reduce these discrepancies.  :o

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2011, 08:15:52 PM »
To get back on topic; no, local noise ordinances are not limited to Canada. Jerome, AZ has such a law, brought about by a certain segment of the motorcycle community...
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 08:27:50 PM »
To get back on topic; no, local noise ordinances are not limited to Canada. Jerome, AZ has such a law, brought about by a certain segment of the motorcycle community...
Bet that segment isn't the aging Japanese motorcycle guys huh?
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2011, 08:31:15 PM »
tsawwassen where i live here in b.c there is a big hill right before the border every july 4th there is a bunch of people on there bikes that go down to point Roberts washington for the day.. lets just say you don't notice any other bike go up the hill other than the Harley's blasting up it with the open pipes that you can hear from the entrance to town..it can get pretty bad my house shakes everytime they pass...damn motorcyclists
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2011, 08:45:43 PM »
To get back on topic; no, local noise ordinances are not limited to Canada. Jerome, AZ has such a law, brought about by a certain segment of the motorcycle community...
Bet that segment isn't the aging Japanese motorcycle guys huh?
Aging, maybe. Japanese? I don't think so. My problem with the noise ban is they had to cover all sources of "noise", including the live music at the Spirit Room. They have to close the windows and doors after a certain time, and it gets pretty hot and muggy in there with people jammin' to the music. :(
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2011, 03:32:17 AM »
To get back on topic; no, local noise ordinances are not limited to Canada. Jerome, AZ has such a law, brought about by a certain segment of the motorcycle community...
Bet that segment isn't the aging Japanese motorcycle guys huh?
Aging, maybe. Japanese? I don't think so. My problem with the noise ban is they had to cover all sources of "noise", including the live music at the Spirit Room. They have to close the windows and doors after a certain time, and it gets pretty hot and muggy in there with people jammin' to the music. :(
That is a crime in itself... bet it's not even in a residential neighborhood  :(
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2011, 03:42:41 AM »
There were noise bylaws in BC when I lived there it wasn't just bikes it was hotrods as well and that was close to 50 years ago.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2011, 03:48:39 AM »
To get back on topic; no, local noise ordinances are not limited to Canada. Jerome, AZ has such a law, brought about by a certain segment of the motorcycle community...

Jerome is just such a place where the community would organize to do such a law.

My understanding is that a bunch of hippies inhabited a ghost town and made the old mining town into a tourist/ artist community.  That's all good and fine, it's a great place, but they now have to have a noise patrol officer, equipment and time and  tourist money brought in by the Harley riders either gets chased off or they become more considerate.  

Ever notice some of the loudest pipes have the disclaimer "Not intended for street use?"
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2011, 06:30:11 AM »
Good for them. It's time to stomp on idiots with stupidly loud exhausts. You can't have open pipes at a race track any more. Why anyone believes he should be able to wake the dead with his toy mystifies me.
There are different classes of idiot though, a bike with a blown out glasspack or a just-over-the-limit custom exhaust is in a different world from a pencil dicked moron with open pipes blatting around to enjoy the racket echoing off houses - they should take those bikes straight to the crusher. Hell, have a crusher beside the noise test stop.
The problem is getting an enforceable and reasonable testing method.

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2011, 06:56:29 AM »
Good for them. It's time to stomp on idiots with stupidly loud exhausts. You can't have open pipes at a race track any more. Why anyone believes he should be able to wake the dead with his toy mystifies me.
There are different classes of idiot though, a bike with a blown out glasspack or a just-over-the-limit custom exhaust is in a different world from a pencil dicked moron with open pipes blatting around to enjoy the racket echoing off houses - they should take those bikes straight to the crusher. Hell, have a crusher beside the noise test stop.
The problem is getting an enforceable and reasonable testing method.




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Caledon town council passed a revised and amended bylaw this week to control loud motorcycle exhaust noise.
A large audience, consisting of many motorcyclists with smaller numbers of local residents, packed the council chambers on Oct. 5 to hear a lengthy debate on the long-standing noise issue in the Forks of the Credit area.
In a revision to the draft bylaw proposed in August, the council approved that the testing should be done so that motorcycles with standard Canadian-government-approved original or replacement exhaust systems will pass.
It is expected that only motorcycles with straight pipes, off-road, racing, or unbaffled silencers will fail, and be subject to a $150 fine.
Caledon OPP will be equipped with sound test meters and calibration equipment, to allow them to conduct roadside compliance tests. Their testing will be consistent with the method and standards developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers as SAE test J2825.
The standards in this test allow motorcycles at idle to emit sound up to 92 decibels (dBA). Further testing at 2,000 rpm will allow up to 96 dBA for motorcycles with one, two, five or six cylinders. Motorcycles with three or four cylinders will be allowed up to 100 dBA, measured at 5,000 rpm.
The calibrated sound meter will be placed at 0.5 m (20 inches) and at an angle of 45 degrees from the exhaust tip of the motorcycle’s silencer.
The council voted an amendment to the bylaw, to provide a lengthy period of information and education for motorcyclists who are riding in or through the town, which includes popular riding areas like the Forks of the Credit and the villages of Belfountain and Cataract.
While sound testing of motorcycles will begin almost immediately, fines will not be issued for motorcycle noise violations until Oct. 1 next year.
Testing sessions for riders who want to find out if their motorcycles will pass the J2825 standards will be held in Caledon on Oct. 22 from 6 to 8 p.m., and Oct. 23 from 9 to 11 a.m. The location of these sessions was yet to be determined at press time. Other information sessions will be held in the spring of 2011.
Council will also write to the Ontario Minister of Transportation including a copy of the new bylaw, asking that the province consider an amendment to the Highway Traffic Act to establish a province-wide test to measure motorcycle noise.
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