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Back firing when I back off the throttle
« on: April 30, 2005, 11:44:02 PM »
Hey guys,
I am having backfiring when I let off the throttle. The engine also takes a long time to ease down.
One of the carbs has been giving me trouble and seems to be flooding (gas collects and somtimes spills from the flood tube). I was thinking a good place to start would be the small brass screws on each carb. Which direction should I turn them? I have tried turning them in and taking them out 1 1/2 to 2 turns, but it didn't help.
Any advise helps.
Thanks,
Jonathan

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2005, 12:22:09 AM »
Check your floats.

One is either out of ajustment or too heavy. thats why it overflows and runs rich (backfiring when off the throttle)

See FAQ for float procedure.
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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2005, 07:19:27 AM »
Agreed,  the carb that is overflowing has float issues.  But if it ran fine and then recently started doing this along with the overfllow problem, then its probably the neadle and seat assembly (which the float opens and closes allowing more or less gas into the bowl) getting hung up.  This would mean its time to disassemble the carbs and give em a good cleaning or replace the neadle and seat if you cant get it to opperated properly after cleaned.  As a temporary fix when its overflowing, give the faulty carb a couple good taps at the float bowl with the butt of a screw driver or something as this will sometimes knock it free.  You could also try removing the brass mixture screw you mentioned and filling the float bowl with carb cleaner and letting it set overnight, then drain the bowl and see if some of the crud comes out.  Make sure you bottom the mixture screw out, counting the turns, before removing it and dont loose the little spring behind it.  Then when you reinstall the screw, bottom it out lightly then turn it back out the number of turns you counted when removing it to set the mixture again.  Good luck and read the FAQ on carbs.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2005, 11:23:28 AM »
I've been getting a little backfire lately. I attribute it to the points. Figure I just need to clean and gap.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2005, 11:28:36 AM »
I second a look at the points, the backfiring could also be caused by a sticky advance mechanism.
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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2005, 11:38:15 AM »
If the timing is not set properly, this can cause backfiring. Certainly check the floats but before you go through the chore of taking the carbs off, check your timing. This is much simpler than removing multiple cables and hoses and such.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2005, 03:57:38 PM »
I always thought that the "cackling" when backing off the throttle meant a lean condition? Also, I think the rule is, if you rev the bike and the revs hang up after closing the throttle this = Lean; if the revs dip down then come back up = rich.

I think it sounds like you are running a little lean, maybe check all the jets and general fuel delivery.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2005, 04:55:57 PM »
No doubt you have carb issues, maybe a complete tune up is in order, but backfiring through the exhaust often is caused by an air leak in the exhaust system.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2005, 12:32:41 PM »
again I say check the timing. Backfire can be causes by timing issues as well as a misadjusted carb. This is a 4-stroke that uses points, just like old cars, and timing caused them to backfire. It is easier to check than almost ANYTHING CARB RELATED. just hook up a timing light and check it. 5 minutes is about all it takes. Thats less than just removing the carbs.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2005, 07:44:50 PM »
Hey Guys,
I tried making the mixture as lean as possible, but it didn't help. I cleaned the points, again no help. I was hoping I didn't have to take appart the carb (I don't have a garage, just a driveway). I will try the carb cleaner this Wed. and try to tighten the seal between the manifold and the pipes, but I am almost certain I will have to take it into the shop for the carbs.
Any other quick fix ideas?
Thanks for all the help,
Jonathan

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 06:32:12 PM »
OK, I put carb cleaner in the carb and left it overnight. It didn't help the backfiring (the flooding seems better, it doesnt leave a puddle of gas on the ground anymore but it still has a small ammount in the tubes), but I noticed somthing strange. The backfiring is coming out of the wrong exhaust. The carb that is flooding is on the left, but the sound (like a firecracker every time I let off the gas) is coming from one of the right 2 pistons.
I did put new exhaust on the bike and maybe I should have replaced the gasketts and the the collar that holds them in place is a little rusty. Could this cause the backfiring I described?
Thanks Again,
Jonathan

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 07:43:07 PM »
I did put new exhaust on the bike and maybe I should have replaced the gasketts and the the collar that holds them in place is a little rusty. Could this cause the backfiring I described?

This is perfectly possible if the exhaust is leaking right at the cyl. head. You should definitely renew the gaskets (cheap). For the collars, it is propably sufficient to clean them with a steel brush.
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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2005, 09:09:02 AM »
again, try the timing. It is not always carb related. you have already spent a days worth or more of time on the carbs, take out 5 min to check timing with a light.

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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2005, 09:26:16 AM »
Greets,
If, after trying all the previous suggestions, the problem still persists, you are most likely the unwilling owner of a sticking exhaust valve...
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Re: Back firing when I back off the throttle
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2005, 04:52:55 PM »
Ok I got new gaskets. It helped ALOT. It sounds like a new bike with a small ammount of backfiring. I guess I will pick up a timing light next, but it is much better.
Strangly the overflow tube on the right is now collecting gas.

Thanks for all the help. I think I dodged the "chitty chitty bang bang" nickname
-Jonathan