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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2014, 02:53:05 AM »


The fuel inlet  interferes with the carb next to it, when I was looking at the specs they said the width was 78mm The max space on honda centres are 80mm, but the 78mm advertised is the body width not the extra 20mm for the fuel inlet boss / pipe

The only way I can get them to fit is I need to get a tight 90 degree fuel inlet fitting, pull the original straight out and install the 90 or 45 deg pipe in, the pipe diam is 8mm if anyone knows of a 45 or 90 deg .  I will look at the parts list of Sudco tonight and see if they list anything. ??? ::) :-\
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2014, 02:57:25 AM »


Ah well, was a good idea at the time  ;) ;D

Ill try to find a 90 deg inlet tube or secondly try a splayed inlet rubber idea but ????? might try those rubbers Den
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2014, 06:56:19 AM »
It's a bit of work johno, but how would banjo bolts and unions go mate.
It'd mean tapping threads into the bodies.

A lot of injector pumps are set up like that.
Maybe a fuel injection mob may have a range of different fittings to get a few ideas.
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2014, 07:56:02 AM »
Are all 4 carbs right-sided fuel taps?  Could you get a pair of lefts?
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2014, 09:20:34 AM »
Sure are pretty  ;)
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2014, 12:55:33 PM »
Try googling " Cruizin Image "   he has a ebay store happening, if not I'll have a look for the link tonight.
cheers johno

-These that have 32mm ID?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB750K-K1-K2-K3-K4-K5-Carb-Intake-Set-4-Intake-8-Clamps-CI-CB750KINBT-1-/131120059802?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e875d559a

Hi PeWe, 
Yeh the ID of the rubber is 32mm as opposed to the stockers with 28 to 29mm,   saves a whole lot of emery drum action.  ;D
They are soft compared to the stockers so dont know how long they will last,  but at that price I'm happy if they are disposable.
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Try googling " Cruizin Image "   he has a ebay store happening, if not I'll have a look for the link tonight.
cheers johno

-These that have 32mm ID?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB750K-K1-K2-K3-K4-K5-Carb-Intake-Set-4-Intake-8-Clamps-CI-CB750KINBT-1-/131120059802?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e875d559a

Hi PeWe, 
Yeh the ID of the rubber is 32mm as opposed to the stockers with 28 to 29mm,   saves a whole lot of emery drum action.  ;D
They are soft compared to the stockers so dont know how long they will last,  but at that price I'm happy if they are disposable.
cheers johno

Thanks Johno,
Really good to know.
I have new Honda carb boots for my Mikuni VM29. My inlet valves are 34mm, must like 32mm carbs and all the way in better :)

There are other parts on that site that is good too.

About your carb fuel inlets.. I should try 90 degree fuel hose, clamping direct on those inlets if Sudco does not have better alternatives.

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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2014, 06:24:43 AM »
I was finally able to get the tips unstuck!  For anyone out there that this happens to this is how I did it:

- Carefully file off the tips of the fuel screw flush with the carb throat (mine were sticking up into the carb a little)
- Freeze the carbs
- Break off the tip of a sewing machine needle, about 1/2" or so.
- Clamp the tip with some needle nose vice grips as tight as you can with only about 1/16" of the sharpest point of the needle sticking out the bottom.  I tried to clamp the sewing needle in at a angle at first but I kept breaking the tip of the sewing needle off so I found that clamping it in at 90 degrees worked best.
- Line up the clamped sewing needle right on top of the brass tip that you filed flush
- Now squeeze the clamped needle straight down with your fingers being careful not to twist or you'll break the sewing needle
- Mine were all stuck pretty good but they all popped out.  I couldn't get them out until I froze the carbs then they came out with some heavy pressure from my hands

Thanks for the help Doctor D, you got me on the right track!

Does anyone know how to remove the broken tips from the carb??? I have the exact same issue...not good.

It wasn't until I got to the idle fuel orifice, a tiny hole on the bottom of the engine side of the carb body, that I noticed an issue.  The guitar string only went through one of the ports.

Seems someone, odds are it was me, over tightened the pilot fuel screws on 3 of 4 carbs causing the delicate tapered tips to jam in the idle port and shear off. In my defense, the springs and o-rings on the screws create some resistance, making it hard to know exactly when the screw has bottomed out.

Never having had all the screws off at the same time, I didn't notice that the tips of the screws looked different.  Pretty obvious once they're on the table together though.



It's not an unusual problem, so I'm not beating myself up too badly.  However, getting the broken off tips out of the carb bodies isn't the most fun I've ever had.

In any case, this explains some of the problems I was having, and new screws are on the way.

The other issue was one of the accelerator pump sticking.  This was solved by using a felt polishing bob on a Dremel, and some Mother's to clean out the pump piston bore.  Much nicer now and it returns fully every time.

As for jetting, the needles that come with the carbs might be fine for a stock GS750, but on a modified 836 they're too lean.  9DZH03's are much better, curing the huge lean-out that was occurring right after the end of the accelerator pump stroke finished.  127.5 mains were too lean with my open 4 into 4's and 50mm velocity stacks, but with balky pilots and a lean needle it's not an accurate measure.  As soon as the new screws are in hand, we'll get back on the dyno and try again.

It's a PITA to fix these.  I used sewing needles that I had snapped in half (to give them a flat-ish working surface) clamped in needle-nose vice grips, which I then rapped with a small deadblow.  Be careful as you can actually peen the brass tip into place.


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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #108 on: March 09, 2016, 08:54:20 AM »
I have a set of these and I've found that the boots from a 77-78 Cb750K will work out great.

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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2016, 08:58:26 AM »
Thanks for the info. I am interested in cb900f boots because they are shorter then cb750k boots I think? Maybe there is difference between early cb750k boots and k8?. I want to minimize possibility or interference issues because of my rear shock setup :)
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2016, 09:54:18 AM »
K7-8 & F2-3 use the shorter boots. The F2-3 boots have larger diameters. I used them on my F2 head with RS34s. I soaked OEM units in dish-soap for more than a month.........now firm but flexible as when new........and still flexible after 2-years. 
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #111 on: March 10, 2016, 11:59:16 AM »
I will try to soak them in that mix. Nothing to loose  ;)... Smaller ID of K7-8 can be a restriction to air flow. Somehow I think that boots from cb900f will fit also....

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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #112 on: March 19, 2016, 06:38:38 PM »
I soaked OEM units in dish-soap for more than a month.........now firm but flexible as when new.
.......and still flexible after 2-years.
Dennis, what sort of dish-soap did you use? It's seems Dawn has more of a drying effect? I've heard
of various softening agents, like wintergreen oil, but never dish-soap.
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #113 on: March 19, 2016, 09:35:28 PM »
I'm interested as well.  For softening rubber parts I have always used 1 part
wintergreen oil to 3 parts rubbing alcohol, for 2-3 days in an enclosed
container(wintergreen has a strong smell and the alcohol evaporates). 
Works great, and smells minty for weeks! ;D

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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #114 on: March 20, 2016, 12:02:40 PM »
OK OK..................I use wintergreen oil as well..........but was lacking inventory at the time..........so I mixed about 1 part of Marvels Mystery Oil with 2 parts Dawn Detergent in a quart container and soaked the 4 intake-rubbers for about a month with the lid on.  They were still hard as rocks..............so I let them soak and checked them every week or so.  It was winter and cold........mostly freezing temps in my garage........but after about 10-12 weeks total time they were 'like new' ;D

That mix is less expensive than the 50-50 wintergreen blend. I used the same batch for another set and it still works.
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #115 on: June 23, 2017, 09:30:09 PM »
 Does anyone have any rs34 updates?  Where's the best setup Cycle X?
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2017, 05:45:55 AM »
 I have reracked several sets of the 34's. It is not difficult. Be careful with the spring loaded ball bearing the is part of the choke (fuel enrichment) rod. It can pop out when you remove the rod. Look at the schematic first.
 Basically just move #2  bodies closer together which will also move #1 closer towards the center. The fuel tube that connects #2  has to be shortened too.
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #117 on: July 10, 2017, 10:38:21 AM »
Can somebody recommend what size of jets(pilot,mains) to start from tuning of the carbs?

Configuration is
f2 with 836 wisecos
10.25-10.5 compression
cx-7 cam
34mm intake 31mm ex....
ported head
pods
open exhaust 4-4
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #118 on: July 10, 2017, 09:06:22 PM »
Not sure about the 34's but i'm running 22.5 and 135's in my 36RS's. 1030CC with F2 head, RC327 cam, stock valves.

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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #119 on: July 10, 2017, 09:52:23 PM »
Check with Frode, he runs RS34 with 1005cc http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,163983.0.html

My TMR32 need same jetting with 1005cc as before with 836cc. I have just found the correct setup.
I tested all needle configurations before finding correct pilot which was a mistake. Finalized with correct needle clip position + fuel screws one week ago
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Re: Mikuni RS34's & CB 750
« Reply #120 on: July 13, 2017, 03:08:05 PM »
hei mirko
i think that you are not getting much response simply because most people using 34s use them on VERY big bore drag racers and not on street bikes....

i told you what i think about using them in your 836...