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Offline Raef

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2011, 03:01:36 PM »
Nearly all the re pop vintage auto parts are coming from that area, but they just have to fit and look good, they are much better than they once were. But on engine parts, I don't know, if it's something your going to race...no. if your building a rider I would buy and sort some used stuff.

I have 3 550's opened up right now, 2 show nearly zero wear and the measurements back it up, the third has some stretch in the primary chain.

I holed a piston in one of the good motors. Before I got the bike it sat for an extended period of time and It apparently got some water in #2 leaving some pitting, a subsequent lean condition polished it off, it ran great till about 10 minutes before the failure.

I am looking at putting 650 rockers and shafts and springs in my 550 rebuild, they are from the same 650 from which I got the cam, crank, rods, primary chain and tensioner that will be installed.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2011, 08:44:35 PM »
Well it looks like im going to wait for my other motor to come home before i move forward. i will keep collecting parts though.
On my quest i came across a DID chain advertised as a timing chain. It looks like either a flat side timing chain or a primary chain. The HD GSXR chain i got was not a flat side so i continue to look. What are your thoughts, is it a flat side timing chain or a primary chain?
After looking around a little more i think its a primary chain and its around $52 shipped from germany. I think..
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2011, 04:38:03 AM »
If you want a flat plate chain go to Z1 Enterprises and get a Tsubaki for a CB750 and a rivot link. You'll never get a similar style chain the right length anyway,  $20 or $30.
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2011, 08:38:00 AM »
Thanks bwaller

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2011, 11:12:36 AM »
continuing the tear down i pulled the clutch off. Pretty straight forward. Only issue is keeping the motor from spinning. I used some solid stock and a few pieces of scrap wood. Now i need a rotor puller.


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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2011, 01:44:01 PM »
less then $4 i got a rotor puller. 16mmx1.5 bolt at the hardware store. It popped right off.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2011, 05:59:42 PM »
+1, I'll remember that. ;) :)
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2011, 10:08:27 PM »
Now i need to figure out how to get the studs out. I tried double nutting it but it was a no go. Felt like it was stripping the bolts.   :( Maybe ill try again with some penetrating oil and some heat.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2011, 09:09:47 PM »
PB Blaster or Kroil is the best penetrating oil I've used, having lived in a salt belt I've dealt with lots of rusted fasteners.  Penetrating oil left to soak in a while followed by some heat from a torch does the trick.
Are you replacing the studs? If reusing, any reason to remove?
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2011, 10:01:15 PM »
I figured i would replace them with some HD studs.

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« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2011, 01:07:14 PM »
If they're anything like mine BE CAREFUL!!  Several applications of heat/oil may be the way to go.  There's quite a few of them that you can apply heat at from the inside of the case with a bottle torch, they came very easy for me.
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2011, 10:53:52 PM »
This has been an interesting thread and i'll watch closely. Where did you get the pistons and rings? I am rebuilding a 550 as well and in my parts collecting stage. I seen the price list in your previous post and it just says sohc. I checked the Honda links in FAQ's and everything says N/A. Thanks
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« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2011, 08:30:19 AM »
pistons are custom 750 pistons purchased from a members on the forum.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2011, 10:32:29 AM »
My favourite motor to work on. I've done so many of these I've forgotten how many.

Just a few points.
Primary chains are very thick with mulitple link plates, (pic is a primary chain BTW) camchains are like pushbike chains like in the post 54 pics. You look like you haven't got down to the primary chain yet but when you do you'll see the clear difference. On the primary chain subject, check under where it runs, there is an oil gallery tunnel right under it, if the chain is getting tired you'll see where it's been gouging away at this tunnel, it's also the noise you get at tickover when this chain is lashing around, goes almost as soon as you rev the engine as it comes under load then. Always replace this chain when you've got the motor down this far. Also check the cush rubbers inside the primary chain sprocket housing, these tend to get hard as they age, see if you can move the sprocket whilst holding the housing, if you can then you need new cush rubbers. You'll see what I mean when you get to it.

The oil restrictor missing, has the motor ever been apart? they do tend to stick inside the barrels when lifted off but they don't tend to go missing, they are either still locked into the crankcase or stuck into the barrel, they don't tend to fall out. If it was missing it would account for the poor state of the cam journals which to me look like they've been running short of oil.

Rocker arms look shot to me, that line in the centre is a clear indicator they are buggered, again oil shortage would account for that.

Main bearings and big end bearings- check the state of them when you split the casings, they should look unmarked or evenly marked, they shouldn't look like the cam journals if you get my drfit, light marking is fine. Same goes for big end bearings, mark the rods as you remove them, make sure they go back onto the same crank journal. Plastiguage isn't needed to order new bearings, I was a Honda mechanic for a LONG time and we never used plastiguage at all. Honda kindly marked the casings and crank so you can figure it out. Look at the back of the engine, you'll see 5 letters, something like AABAA. These correspond to the crank journals, the crank is also marked, however Honda used a sort of indelible ink which tends to go fainter the older the engine, the crank webbing has these, it will be a number, either 1 or 2. So if casings were BBABC for instance and crank was marked 11211, then correct bearing size would be B1, B1, A2, B1, C1. Workshop manual will tell you the colour you need, same goes for bigend bearings. Four letters on the crank webbing and 4 numbers on the rods. Easy once you know the trick, only works however if the crank and rods show no signs of excessive wear but as the crankcasings are protected by the shell bearings they tend to be ok, only exception is where the shell bearing spins. Cranks tend to be ok unless marked which you can clearly see.
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2011, 10:51:26 AM »
Thanks for that info. Very useful. I found the oil restrictor. It had fallen out and rolled under the engine stand. Its back in my parts box safe and sound. I dont think this motor has been apart. It doesnt show any signs of it. I did see the letter markings on the back of the case. I havent touched the motor recently. I have been out of town and my current priority is building a shed to make more room in the garage for a small mill, some welders and a little room for my 550 that im picking up tuesday from chris in LA with my sick pipes to go on this bigbore motor.


I also contacted APE to order some HD studs but they were out. Said they would have some in a few weeks.
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2011, 11:33:02 AM »
Chris did a great job on those pipes!  They look awesome!

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2011, 10:59:53 PM »
Spent a few minutes out in the garage. Got all the studs out. Here is how.
1) soak studs in Penetrating oil for a few hours.
2) Double nut them and brake them lose and your done if not move to #3
3) Use a propane torch and heat the area around the bottom of the stud then try to brake them lose. If it still doesnt work repeat steps 1 and 3.

You can also whack the stud on top with a hammer to help brake the threads loose.


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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2011, 10:03:27 AM »
no progress as of yet, but i found a few pages that would be helpfull in the future and want to to tag it here.
550 Bottom end
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=71439.msg1006111#msg1006111
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=94613.0;topicseen
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2011, 10:49:56 AM »
ANY PROGRESS? ANY NEW PARTS? :)
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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2011, 12:45:41 PM »
No progress yet. Picked up another 125 and i have been converting that to 12v. Also i have been sorting out how im going to mount the seat pan and seat. Also ordered tires so i can lace my new rims up. I will update as soon as i make some progress, just dont want to dig deeper into the engine until i can give it my full attention. I dont want to get it apart and then try and put it back together months later. I wanted to get some HD studs from APE but they didnt have any and the guy who answered the phone didnt seem to have a clue or care much. So i PM Jay and he said he would get on it for me. So hopefully ill get a set soon. Thats all for now.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2011, 03:26:20 PM »
........ I wanted to get some HD studs from APE but they didnt have any and the guy who answered the phone didnt seem to have a clue or care much. So i PM Jay and he said he would get on it for me. So hopefully ill get a set soon. Thats all for now.

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« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2011, 03:33:44 PM »
I really had no other choice. In my post on April 15 i mention that i called them and was told to call back in a few weeks. So i did, and was told try back in a few weeks. Called again and was told they didnt know when they would have them, so i said "why dont you go find out and then call me back" i said id nicely. Never got a call back. Called a week or 2 later and got the same "not sure, dont really care" kinda attitude. When somebody calls and ask for a part you list on your website you might want the guy answering the phone to be a little more helpfull. If Jay was not on this forum to help out i would have written them off. But hopefully Jay sorts things out and i get some studs.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2011, 03:48:43 PM »
"hopefully Jay sorts things out and i get some studs."

And the guy answering the phone is now learning how to address packages in shipping.  Hope he gets yours right. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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1973 CB750 K - basket case (SOLD)
77 CB550 Cafe build
550/750 Filter Thread
Sidecar Rebuild Thread

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #73 on: May 27, 2011, 04:51:16 PM »
Thanks for posting all this up, ffj.  I'll be taking note for when my time comes this winter.

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Re: CB550 engine rebuild
« Reply #74 on: June 16, 2011, 01:37:36 PM »
Took the cylinders in to have them bored .001 over the piston size. Cost is only $100.....PER HOLE!!! :o >:(