Author Topic: NY Times ethanol article (Read 8579 times)

Gaither · « **Reply #50 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:59:40 PM »

Side note: ATF

Back in the '50's & '60's I ran a pint of tranny fluid in the engine oil to keep Hyd Lifters clean. 'Had a '58 Olds Super 88 and a '62 Chevie II in which the lifters would clatter badly at every oil change until I added a pint to the oil. They both would quiten (lifters) a few moments after I poured it in at idle. Crazy but both did it consistantly.

I always put a pint of trans fluid in at each oil change in all cars until I stared driving Fords with 4.6 OHC engines about 10 years ago. Never had a noisy hyd lifter in any of the numerous cars.

HondaMan · « **Reply #51 on:** March 26, 2011, 08:34:21 PM »

Gaither:
Here's an example of one we can get over the 'net:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/197/12606/ITEM/Blendzall-Fuel-Oil-4-Cycle-Top-End-Racing-Lubricant.aspx

The bottle I have now is a Wynn's Top Oil bottle (I think it is in the fairing pocket outside), which I have refilled with STP, Bardahl, Torco, or sometimes just #2 diesel (which works well). I just kept the bottle all this time because it fits my fairing well.

Gaither · « **Reply #52 on:** March 27, 2011, 11:09:00 AM »

Hondaman

Thanks much. We were wondering what you used.

Gaither

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #53 on:** March 27, 2011, 01:48:51 PM »

Quote from: HondaMan on March 26, 2011, 08:34:21 PM

Gaither:
Here's an example of one we can get over the 'net:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/197/12606/ITEM/Blendzall-Fuel-Oil-4-Cycle-Top-End-Racing-Lubricant.aspx

The bottle I have now is a Wynn's Top Oil bottle (I think it is in the fairing pocket outside), which I have refilled with STP, Bardahl, Torco, or sometimes just #2 diesel (which works well). I just kept the bottle all this time because it fits my fairing well.

Not that I can think of a way for anyone to know, but;

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Not legal or recommended for highway use.

What's behind this?

Gaither · « **Reply #54 on:** March 27, 2011, 02:15:49 PM »

Nort

There is likely some state or fed tax (both?) they have elected not to pay [?].

Just sneak it into your tank and don't tell anyone.

They are already charging us "gasoline taxes" at the pump for alcahol (which is not legal). It is just a matter of time til they add a liquor tax on ethanol.

Nortstudio · « **Reply #55 on:** March 27, 2011, 03:15:28 PM »

I'm or sure I have to sneak anything, the authorities here seem preoccupied with murder and such

.

I'm going to stick with seafoam and Sta-Bil until I find ANYTHING with the words "top oil on it.

Grnrngr · « **Reply #56 on:** March 27, 2011, 04:43:16 PM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on March 27, 2011, 01:48:51 PM

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Not legal or recommended for highway use.

What's behind this?

I suspect using it raises your "unwanted partially burned hydrocarbons" ratings...can't be out there polluting more just cuz it makes yer engine run better...

midnightrider · « **Reply #57 on:** March 27, 2011, 07:25:27 PM »

I saw today that Stay-Bil has an ethanol-sepecific treatment....I'm going to start running it instead of regular Stay-Bil

Grnrngr · « **Reply #58 on:** March 27, 2011, 07:28:30 PM »

heh...an additive to counteract an additive? I need to buy petrochemical stocks....

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #59 on:** January 29, 2015, 04:50:02 AM »

Quote from: Nortstudio on March 19, 2011, 02:56:13 PM

Couple weeks ago I was part of a thread about additives, and the cure for ethanol. For any interested, here is an article from the NY Times about the dreaded fuel....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/automobiles/20GASOHOL.html?_r=1&hp

Further proof of the lack of merits..

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/science/new-report-urges-western-governments-to-reconsider-reliance-on-biofuels.html?referrer=

70CB750 · « **Reply #60 on:** January 29, 2015, 04:55:54 AM »

Quote from: Bob Wessner on January 29, 2015, 04:50:02 AM

Quote from: Nortstudio on March 19, 2011, 02:56:13 PM
Couple weeks ago I was part of a thread about additives, and the cure for ethanol. For any interested, here is an article from the NY Times about the dreaded fuel....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/automobiles/20GASOHOL.html?_r=1&hp

Further proof of the lack of merits..

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/science/new-report-urges-western-governments-to-reconsider-reliance-on-biofuels.html?referrer=

Do you think that people who make decisions like that are able to admit a mistake?

Nortstudio · « **Reply #61 on:** January 29, 2015, 05:02:34 AM »

No. No I don't

Bodi · « **Reply #62 on:** January 29, 2015, 05:46:23 PM »

The US corn industry is extremely powerful because they give a huge amount of cash to politicians... what they want, they get.
Most of the food we eat is corn: animal feed is corn, most "sugar" in processed food is corn syrup, ethanol "biofuel" is almost 100% from corn.
You will only see more e85 as vehicles that can't use it wear out. Ethanol free gasoline is harder and harder to find, it will eventually disappear.
Guys like us with antique vehicles will be screwed.

Nortstudio · « **Reply #63 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:17:30 PM »

I can't complain now as the closest gas station to my house stocks non-ethanol.

scottly · « **Reply #64 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:27:25 PM »

Hey Norton, it's been a while..

Nortstudio · « **Reply #65 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:29:29 PM »

Hey! Been too long. A big move up to Vermont from Brooklyn (hence the ethanol) has put a spin on my honda wrenching. Looking to be back strong... And soon!

scottly · « **Reply #66 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:33:40 PM »

Still in the music biz?

Nortstudio · « **Reply #67 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:46:33 PM »

No studio anymore. Lost the building lease in Brooklyn to.....wait for it....yep, a J Crew! Insane.

Still the tour managing and live sound. Working on some bikes and custom parts up here in the Green Mountain State. Have to get back to the cb550. It needs some refreshing!

scottly · « **Reply #68 on:** January 29, 2015, 06:51:54 PM »

Do you at least have a dry workshop? I recall tales of working on a bike outside, and dropping a bolt into the snow, never to be found again before the spring thaw?

Garage_guy_chris · « **Reply #69 on:** January 29, 2015, 07:32:10 PM »

Like its been mentioned a few times us 1% are too small to even be heard over such a thing and no matter what, these changes will come into effect.

all the time Im hearing about problems with rubber parts orings, fuel hoses, and gaskets hardening, leaking, or failing as a result of ethanol that seems to be the number one complaint. What i do not understand is why parts companies are still supplying parts that cannot deal with the ethanol content! Any new parts supplied by any supplier should be rated to deal with the ethanol and shouldn't be able to pass the applicable testing without that ability.

I don't mind updating or upgrading some bits to be ethanol compliant / ethanol safe. to even go so far as to up the jetting to run properly. and lets face it on a 40 year old honda its really not all that difficult. a few fuel lines at minimum and fuel lines, fuel T o rings and carb kits at the maximum end.

brooze72 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 29, 2015, 08:31:27 PM »

Good points chris, you're right, not exactly a new subject/surprise. But treating the gas with stabilizer seems the simple solution?

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #71 on:** January 29, 2015, 08:39:38 PM »

Quote from: brooze72 on January 29, 2015, 08:31:27 PM

Good points chris, you're right, not exactly a new subject/surprise. But treating the gas with stabilizer seems the simple solution?

While there's ethanol in it it will ALWAYS absorb moisture, that problem they'll never fix. We'll always get ethanol free fuel here, we are a very coastal country with hundreds of thousands of privately owned boats, there are warnings at the gas stations here NOT to use ethanol in boat engines......

Deltarider · « **Reply #72 on:** January 29, 2015, 11:46:03 PM »

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While there's ethanol in it it will ALWAYS absorb moisture

Actually that isn't the problem. In a fueltank there will ALWAYS be some water and ethanol fuel can handle/absorb that, ordinary fuel can't.
I'd be faaaaaarrr more concerned about the levels of sugar in ALMOST ALL products you guys eat and drink today. You only have to go in the streets and look around you to see the results. The sugar lobby must be the most powerful lobby in the USA by far. Any idea how many sugar cubes there are in a bottle of tomato ketchup?

supersports400 · « **Reply #73 on:** January 30, 2015, 12:29:07 AM »

To avoid sugar in your food is way easier than avoid ethanol in your fuel

Since 6 years I quit eating sugar, lost 44 lbs over those years, it's that easy to get from 95 kilo (209 lbs) to75 kilo (165 lbs).

But in those same 6 years it took a lot of effort to find ethanol low or free fuel. Especially in Germany it's almost impossible to get low ethanol fuel for my 1966 CB450. However, I did change as much rubber parts in the fuel system as I could find / make them myself, being on the safe side, and dyno'wed the bike to find the best adjustments for the carbs.

With ethanol, fuel lines getting too soft, resulted in knicking at some point, especially at the CB450 were the routing of fuel lines requires some short bending radius. Re-routing the fuel lines was the only way to connect the carbs with the fuel cock with the ethanol resistant thick fuel lines.

With the build up of the CB400F I count in the effects of ethanol containing fuels, replacing all rubber parts and gaskets for ethanol resistant rubber and gasket material.

70CB750 · « **Reply #74 on:** January 30, 2015, 04:07:31 AM »

Here is a web page to find ethanol free gas in your area:

http://pure-gas.org/

and I know I am repeating myself

In Vermont there is 41 gas stations listed for instance.

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