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Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« on: April 07, 2006, 12:04:59 PM »
Stats: '78 CB750K.  I recently rebuilt the engine using a Wiseco 836cc kit. Original engine had 35k miles (original engine needed head gasket replaced, hence all the engine work).  I had the head rebuilt by Wayne and Son.  I installed a stage III webber cam (i think it was the stage III) with new cam chain.  Valves adjusted after rebuild.

I recently got the rebuilt engine in the frame and I thoroughly soaked the carbs with the Yamaha carb cleaner, pulled idle and main jets and made sure all jets were clear.  Installed accellerator valve correctly (PO had put spring in upside down) which should help a lot.  I also set the float height 14-15mm and replaced the float bowl gaskets and they don't leak a drop. Put fresh high octane in tank.  Installed inline fuel filter too.  Bench synched the carbs and replaced pod filters that I hated (sorry pod people) with a stock airbox and new filter.  Everything appears to be sealed tightly.

I set the point gap and had some initial trouble with the timing (too advanced, not enough room adjust properly).  After researching the FAQ regarding this issue, i found the post about sticking a feeler gage behind one of the screw posts for the points plate. (?)  Not really totally understanding this but I reset the point gap, and the timing appears to be better but I was running the bike with the choke on when checking with the strobe light.  I'm having difficulty keeping the idle down and setting the timing at idle.  Regardless, it appeared to be better than the initial set up.  I tried to test the timing using my voltmeter set on the continuity setting, but i couldn't really get the thing to beep signaling continuity when testing the points.  Gave up on that.

My problem is I am hearing a really loud banging sound or some kind of detonation coming from what sounds like one of the cylinders, but not all of them.  It is freaking me out.  All pipes are getting hot, and I don't feel any air leaking from the exhaust manifold, it appears to be sealing well.  I have noticed that a bit of smoke rises from the head, can't tell where it is coming from, hopefully just cam breaking in.

Can anyone give me some advice?  This sound is pretty loud and I'm worried I'm killing the engine by running it.  I've set timing before and valve adjustments (i'm an ex-aircooled vw guy) so I think i set the valves correctly.  I double checked the #1 and #4 valve clearances and the .002 and .003 feeler slides beneath so I don't think the valves are too tight.

What the heck am I missing?  I really want to ride this beast, especially after how much $$$ i've sunk into it and all the P.O. '70's dechopperization that I've completed.  Any help would be appreciated very much! PS- I'm in Austin, TX if anyone is local!!!
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2006, 12:43:09 PM »
First off Bro, You done an awfull lot of work and put a lot of money into this, AND YOU DONT WANT TO SQUANDER THAT! it would appear that you have  "adjusted everything all at once" and dont know where to turn or what to try next!  THE SINGLE most important thing is to find out IMMEDIATELY if the "BANGING" or "KNOCKING" is mechanical in its origin or not.
This MUST be the FIRST thing you ascertain, or all your hard work could go down the pan!
Put the bike on its main stand, dont turn on the fuel,dont turn on the ignition.
turn the engine over SLOWLY, A LITTLE AT A TIME   by hand, either on the kickstart or in fourth or fifth gear by turning the rear wheel....( if you cannot manage this, get a mate to help and be QUIET, while you LISTEN carefully for any untoward mechanical noises OR indeed, any signs of the motor being not free in ANY way....If there is any "knocks" or "Bumps" like say the noise of a valve hitting the top of a piston or the like, THEN STOP IMMEDIATELY..
IF you can find, borrow, beg or steal get a doctors stethascope, and use that to listen, if not then a screwdriver pressed blunt end into your ear and sharp end on the engine does work to let you "listen in" so to speak.................

If all is not well and there are "untoward noises " happening, coupled with any jamming of the motor ar the like, You WILL have to pull it again unfortunately...(or risk damage!)

But, if all seems well, and it is JUST detonation in the "wrong place at the wrong time" so to speak, Then the usual rules will apply of Point gap,timing, valve gap, valve timing, and carb set up and sync.  Logic dictates  that if you have compression, and the correct fuel air mixture, and a spark thats good enough in the right place at the right time ergo it WILL run right!  BUT, DO ONE THING AT ONCE, AND DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE moving on to the next....FOR example,you dont mention checking the condensors, and that should have been one of the first things that you did, replaced them!
I do not believe in bench synching the carbs, every motor is different and sucks differently, in fact EVERY cylinder sucks differently, and the only way to truly set the carbs is with a set of vacumn gauges or the like..ON THE BIKE!.......but thats for later.........start at the begining, the point gaps and condensors and ignition timing......There should be no REASON why you cannot set the timing correctly, if you cannot, then invest in a new set of points (or two!) and check that the points cam is not worn, if you cannot set them up right, then stop right then and there, untill you have solved THAT issue BEFORE moving on to the next! Have you taken each plug out and to  see if they are (a.) the correct ones, and (b.) that they ARE ALL sparking correctly?  That Should have been your first check! Only when you have checked the ignition circuits do you move on to the carbs....usually. (unless you know where the problem Is!)
Anyways, check the above out, and if you still have no joy, get back to me and i will go through the rest with you..no probs, Dont worry or panic just yet!  JUst make sure you do each test slowly, carefully and double check, and then its easier for us to help you successfully.  keep calm!






 
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2006, 12:56:59 PM »
Did you check the valve to piston clearance when you built the motor? I'm thinking new pistons and stage 3 cam might be resulting in there not being enough room in there. You can check this with the motor built up, there's posts on here about it somewhere, it involves setting the crank at just past (or is it before?) tdc and seeing how far you can push the valve down manually.   

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2006, 01:10:47 PM »
I don't have a stethoscope, but I'll try your screwdriver method.  I have rotated the engine slowly using the crank and everything rotates freely and I can't "feel" the valves hitting the pistons.  I was concerned about this, and asked several reputable cb people about wether or not the high lift cam would work and was assured that anything with .370 lift or less would be OK (with the Wiseco pistons).  I will try it with the screwdriver method to try to get a better listen to be sure.

I know the spark plugs are the right ones because I did a full tune up when I bought the bike.  I got the thing running well after purchasing with the exception of a high idle.  (I tore the engine apart because of a leaking head gasket and I figured the carbs needed fine tuning because of the high idle.  Might as well do everything at once, right?  ughhh!)  During that initial tune-up, I replaced the points and set the gaps.  I believe the condensers were replaced as they came with the kit (cylinderish things that attach to the points plate, right?)  I didn't put very many miles on the bike prior to the 836cc rebuild (maybe a few thousand at most) so I am assuming the condensers are OK as the bike ran good after the tune-up.

I will check the spark for each plug as you suggested.  I am doubtful they are the issue as they were fine prior to the tear down.  Now I am worried I wasted a lot of money and lots and lots of time...

Would it be possible that it is a synchronization issue?  I have the vacuum gauges, but I am concerned about the noise to the point that I don't want to run the engine much, so I can't really set them.

1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2006, 01:12:39 PM »
Thanks Tim, I'll search for the post and check that out.  If I have to pull the engine I will be very sad  :'(
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2006, 01:27:15 PM »
   Check with the cam manufacturer and see what they suggest to gap the valves at for your particular cam. The .002-.003 gaps are for the stock cam so a hotter cam may need a greater gap. Mine calls for a .004 gap on both intake and exhaust. My cam also has .375 lift and the head has been decked for even less clearance and I have had no problems using Wiseco pistons.

    Also, you will not be able to get the rpm's down if you have the choke on as the accelerator pump will be sending extra fuel.

    It can be pretty scary listening to that "mega-money" engine run for the first time. Hopefully it is just a timing, synch, or gap issue
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2006, 01:40:28 PM »
I checked the cam specs.  It has .370 lift with 290 and 268 duration.  I have not "decked" anything on my engine.  If "decking" reduces valve to piston clearance and you are using .375 lift, then I guess that is good news considering you are using the same Wiseco pistons.  I just hope the duration is not too advanced and causing any metal to metal contact.

I will call the manufacturer, it is actually Web cams and not Webber as I previously posted.

It is scary, especially considering this is my first engine build and definately a learning experience.  I've always been relatively mechanical, but I have to admit I am a little worried about this overhaul...

I thought I was being cautious with everything, and because I was told the cam lift was not going to be a problem I didn't check it.  I also couldn't really think of a way to check it with the motor already assembled, and I've only recently discovered this fabulous website.

Calling the cam manufacturer...
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2006, 01:53:50 PM »
Just got in touch with Web cams.  For my cam i'm supposed to set the intake and exhaust valve to .004 just like you Sconden!  Hopefully my issues are related to this.  I'm going to start over from scratch- adjust cam chain tension, valves, redo the points gap, reset the ignition timing, and we'll see what happens.

How could I have thought the valve gap would remain the same with a different cam :o!!! Dooough!!!
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2006, 02:00:07 PM »
As long as the valves never got bent it's a good result, do a compression test when you make the adjustments.

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2006, 02:33:48 PM »
Just got in touch with Web cams.  For my cam i'm supposed to set the intake and exhaust valve to .004 just like you Sconden!  Hopefully my issues are related to this.  I'm going to start over from scratch- adjust cam chain tension, valves, redo the points gap, reset the ignition timing, and we'll see what happens.

How could I have thought the valve gap would remain the same with a different cam :o!!! Dooough!!!

    Sounds like a good plan. In reading your first post, my initial guess was that the "knocking"? might be coming from the timing being a bit off. Don't know if you're trying to time to the "F" mark or not, but it would be a lost cause if you're unable to bring the idle down to 1200rpm or below. Are you falling in between the advance marks at 2500+ rpm?
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2006, 02:44:31 PM »
I'm hoping it is just a timing thing!  The timing was way over-advanced using my strobe light compared to the F-mark.  I was able to get the idle down to about 1300 rpm or so, and it was reading PAST the F marks!!  When I tried to adjust, full adjustment one way or the other did not bring the timing close to the F mark.  I then further played with the points gap, and checked the timing and it was way more in-line, but I had the choke on as it was needed to keep the engine running around 1200RPM.  I believe you need to have the engine fully warmed up without choke to properly set.  Either way, with the "better" timing, the engine knock or noise was still there, and i'm thinking its because i set the valve gap wrong (hopefully).

I am going to set the valve gap to the correct .004 and just start the tune-up all over so to speak.  I'll post next week with the results.  Thanks everyone!!!
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 05:34:49 PM »
I did not read all but the first post in this thread.  So, forgive me if this has been covered.  But, what octane fuel are you using?

If you've upped the compression ratio with engine and cam mods, you may now require high octane fuel for your engine to avoid pinging and detonation.  Alternately, or perhaps in addition to slowing flame front with high octane fuel, you may have to retard the spark timing to keep from pinging or detonation.

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 10:00:36 AM »
TwoTired:

I'm using fresh unleaded super, not sure what the octane is exactly here in Texas as i'm new to the state.  I also drained the old gas from the tank as it was a few years old prior to putting the super in, and i'm using an inline fuel filter to trap any crp that might be in the tank.

As far as a weekend update: I Reset the chain tensioner and the valve gap to .004 for both intake and exhaust to adjust for the performance cam as Web cams suggested.  I rechecked the point gap and set it to .014 at the largest opening of each point set.  Checked for spark at the plugs, all plugs are firing, one even zapped the sht out of me!  The plugs were a little black, slightly sooty.  The bike started right up with choke, but I am still hearing loud explosions right away, hopefully detonation or pinging and not mechanical at the head.  I immediately shut it down.  I've rotated the engine by hand and I can't  hear any obstructions inside the engine.  I didn't even check the timing as the engine noise sounds bad, and I am worried I am doing damage!!

I guess at this point, the damage would be done, so my next step two tired will be to try to retard the timing as you suggested.  I spoke with Web cams, and they said to make sure the valve adjustment is done at the very highest lift on the lobes, but  I can't really see the cam lobes with the valve cover on, and I am using the timing marks on the points cover.  Other than that advice, they told me to email someone named "dynoman" who is in Austin, TX, but I have not recieved a response.  Dynoman, are you out there????
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 11:26:28 AM »
Hey Heavy...
Hard to tell from the post exactly what the noise sounds like...but could it be an exhaust leak from the pipe or even from the head it's self??? Just a thought. If it is one way to check would be to pull the plug wires one at a time and see if the noise lessens.That would also eliminate pre-ignition knock on that cylinder as well...

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 11:34:39 AM »
 Like someone said...it's difficult know if it is a mechanical sound or combustion related. Anyway, those pistons will handle well over .400 lift with a good amount of head milling and cylinder decking. Is that cam chain tight? The exhuast leak check is a good suggestion....did you use new exhaust gaskets and tighten the system up correctly?
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 11:39:00 AM »
Another quick though...since it's a big bore setup...is the head gasket correct for the larger bores???
If not you may have a head gasket leak...

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 12:04:55 PM »
Mrieck- Well, i'm glad that these engines can handle the .370 lift cam I put in, and hopefully that will rule out any piston to valve issues.  I have not done any cylinder decking or head milling or anything else to reduce piston to valve clearance, I only had the cylinders bored for the 836cc Wiseco piston set.

I am assuming the cam chain is tight, I put a brand new one in when rebuilding the engine and counted the necessary amount of links (I forget how many off the top of my head) and when it was installed there was very little play in it AT ALL.  I figured this was OK as the chain will stretch with use, that is, if i ever get the beast on the road :-\  I've also checked and double checked the tensioner, and loosened and retightened the locknut.

I was considering an exhaust leak as a potential problem, but I can't feel any air coming through except for a real small amount in a few places, hardly any though.   What exhaust gaskets?  Do i need these for my k8?  I didn't think that there were any for the bike.  My 4-1 set up has two 1/2 washer type things for each pipe with a flange on each.  When placed together over the pipe, they form a circle around each pipe.  Then, when you crank down on the things that bolt onto the exhaust studs, they push the tip of each exhaust pipe tightly into the head.  Sorry, this is a real bad way of describing it, but I don't know what the parts are called.  Do I need some kind of gaskets in there that I'm missing, and if so where can i buy them?

Regarding the head gasket, it is a Cometic brand, and i'm assuming that it is right for the overbore kit as i ordered all the parts together from Wayne and Son out of Wisconsin.  He is suppossedly very knowledgeable with CB750's and also rebuilt the head for me.  I'm assuming he sent me the right head gasket.  I did take a flashlight and looked all around the headgasket as I thought it could be this, but the gasket seems to be solid and in place and i'm not seeing any oil leaking from the headgasket or missing headgasket chunks, only a bit of oil weep out of the valve cover  :'(
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 12:43:38 PM »
Hey Heavy...
Normally there are some copper or asbestos looking gaskets (rings) that fit in the head for the flange on the pipe to seal against.
I'm guessing about an inch in dia...Would be easy to check...If you pull the plug wires and it's an exhaust leak...it should quieten down significantly...
I've had SOOOOOOOOO much stuff shipped to me lately... from good companies that was incorrect. I check and double check everyting.
Sometimes the stock boy or shipping guy has no idea what they are putting in the box and mistakes do get made...Lately it seems to be more often than not!!!

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 12:53:50 PM »
hcritz-

i will follow your advice and double check shipments from now on!!  I think the gasket was correct as a vaguely remember it saying "836cc gasket" somewhere on the packaging, but it was such a long time ago, I could be wrong.  Putting the top-end back together, I didn't notice anything wrong with it, so hopefully it is the right head gasket.

This may be a stupid question, but here goes:  when you pull the plug wire as you suggest, do you do this with the bike running?  And do you do it for each cylinder at different times to isolate the leak?
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 01:01:38 PM »
I would pull them one at a time with the engine off...and restart...Avoid getting shocked or burned.
If it's a leak you will be able to tell...if it's mechanical it shouldn't make much difference.
I'm not sure about these engines but most have the wrist pin offset in the piston...if turned around backwards it would rattle...
that's about the only thing mechanical that I think would go away with the plug disconnected.
I don't know the bore difference between the 750 / 836 but it's probably not real noticeable unless you put one next to the other.
I'll bet you would have noticed the gasket overhanging the bore though.
Hope some if this helps...


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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2006, 01:31:46 PM »
hcritz:

I guess i have homework for tonight!!  I see what you are getting at by taking each plug off and then starting the engine.  I guess if its mechanical I'll still hear the sound either way, but by taking the plug off and not igniting the mixture...if it is a leak then it will be much quieter.

I'll give it a shot and post the results tomorrow.  Thanks hcritz!!
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2006, 01:37:33 PM »
 If you didn't put exhuast gaskets in do so. I think that is your problem. Part # 18291-254-000...you need 4  You should not feel ANY exhaust escaping except from the hole at the end of your exhaust. I wouldn't worry about the head gasket.
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2006, 01:44:05 PM »
Thanks Mrieck for the part number.  I will check the stealership for their availability of that partnumber.  I am sure I will have to order them and they will get here a week after their promised delivery date  :-[ 

I also am doubful that it is the headgasket as it is brand new, I sprayed it with a high-temp gasket sealant that was recommended to me for this application, and I torqued all head nuts to the required specs.  I believe the Cometic gasket is a graphite gasket and great for the 836cc application (hopefully).
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2006, 07:52:04 AM »
UPDATE:  Ok, i feel like a doomass, but all my problems mentioned in this thread were related to the fact that I DID NOT HAVE THE EXHAUST GASKETS INSTALLED!  The loud knocking or banging that I was hearing was simply exhaust gasses escaping between the poorly sealed exhaust header.  Although I couldn't feel any air escaping, there must have been enough leakage to make the engine sound terrible.  When I tore down the engine 4 years ago I must have completely forgot about them.  The stealership actually had the gaskets in stock!!! 

I Installed the gaskets last night...bolted the exhaust on...and she fired right up and sounded MUCH MUCH better.  The engine noise is reduced dramaticly and the only noise coming from the engine sounds like normal drivetrain stuff.  I was able to set the idle and advance timing with the strobe, set point gap, and synchronized the carbs.  I am now thinking I haven't yet completely muffed this rebuild after all!!  :) :D  (Note to new rebuilders- don't forget the exhaust gaskets!!)

Thanks to everyone who responded to my thread, I really appreciate you all taking the time to respond, you guys really helped me figure this thing out.  Now its on to the FAQ to tackle the valve cover leak...racing idle...slow return to idle after revving...etc.  :-\
1978 CB750K - 836 Wiseco kit, 4-1 Kerker Exhaust, Web cam (63b grind), HD valve springs, polished stuff.  Comfortable.

1975 BMW R90/6 - tight

2002 RC51 - Jardine slip ons.  Uncomfortable.

Austin, TX

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2006, 08:07:43 AM »
What's important is you got it sorted out.
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2006, 08:29:24 AM »
Good Deal...
Nice when it's something simple!!!

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2006, 08:24:52 PM »
Not to beat a dead horse....but pairs of plugs fire at the same time
as the ends of the coil secondaries are tied to two plugs.....inners and
outers. I would think that removing a plug wire would open the secondary
path and kill the other plug.   ???

.....unless of course by holding the plug wire you are completing the path. ;D

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Offline Lumbee

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2006, 07:41:24 AM »
...hey heavy, on the racing idle, you said you synced the carbs...did u use a sync gauge or just bench sync?  My 78K carbs raced like that after I rebuilt them, and I finally adjusted the needles down, and that will bring the idle down.  As someone mentioned, you need to get yourself a sync tool to do it right.  That will also help with the slow return to idle...
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2006, 07:20:27 AM »
I did use vacuum gauges to synchronize the carbs.  I couldn't get each carb exactly perfect, compared to the #2 carb, as it seemed like if I adjusted one carb, it would change the setting on a different carb.  I was able to get them all pretty close though, and called it good and put everything back together.  I'm not sure why, but on the gauges the readings were around 5 at idle, and in this range on the gauges it says "check for vacuum leaks".  Should my readings have been higher????

Its just that when  I rev up the engine, sometimes I have to push hard forward on the throttle to bring the engine down to idle speed.  I"ll have to investigate some more...check for manifold leaks..etc.  I lubed the return cable and the cables seem good so I don't think its poor cables, but maybe I should just replace them to be sure.
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2006, 07:28:12 AM »
Do you have any slack in the throttle cables???
Should be a little....

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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2006, 08:04:00 AM »
 You should check for vacuum leaks . If you are using the original intake boots(manifolds) you are probably sucking air which will jack your idle up.
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Re: Is my bike going to explode/implode?
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2006, 07:01:47 PM »
HEY I GOT AN IDEA THAT MAY HELP BRO, i cant because its daft i am in the uK, but maybe someone will LISTEN TO YOUR NOISE OVER THE PHONE, diagnosis,is best done with the bike, but it may help....
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