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Offline Kong

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I've been reading all sorts of posts here and elsewhere on sealing gas tanks.  People have tried everything, and if you have been taught any chemistry at all some of the schemes will make you laugh out loud, particularly some of the tank cleaning methods that have been tried.  Cleaning a tank really isn't a problem, it can be done chemically and inexpensively.  The question really is how to seal it.

I was thinking about the best way to prevent further corrosion in an old tank and immediately remembered that some folks have had their's nickel plated.  With no buffing required it is probably the best way to have one sealed, certainly the most effective.  With that in mind it occurred to me that it might be possible to powder coat the interior of the tank; powder coat is great for coating blind and inaccessible spots, its impervious to nearly everything, its flexible, and its relatively inexpensive.  

I've got to go see the powder coater sometime this week, I think I'll talk to him about it.  It seems to me that it may be an effective and possibly inexpensive way to seal the interior of a tank, even one with small pin-holes in it.  What do you think, would powder coat work as a good tank sealer?  I've never heard of anyone so much as suggest it, let alone try it - which almost certainly means someone already has done it, so do any of you all have any first hand experience with PCing the interior of a tank?
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 06:10:20 AM »
Would powder coating stand up to petrol long term??
I've no idea but I'd like to hear the outcome of this one after you talk to the powder coater as I have a tank that needs sealing too.

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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 06:16:21 AM »
Jamie, as far as I know its impervious to fuels.  I know brake fluid won't touch it and that's a good sign.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 06:19:10 AM »
Well if that's the case I for one think it's a great idea, lets see what your powder coater says or anyone else who may have tried before.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 06:29:22 AM »
I wonder what the cost of PC'ing the inside of a tank would be vs. Red-Koting?

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 06:47:56 AM »
Good question.  Another question is would the heat of the oven distort the sheet metal of the tank?

I got curious about the pricing of powder coating a couple of months ago and came to the conclusion that much like chrome plating most of the price is in the prep work; in the case of powder coating that means sand blasting much of the time.  The powder itself is relatively (to paint) inexpensive and one of the features of powder coating, as I understand it, is that no special skills are required to apply it, so its not a labor cost thing either.  That makes me wishfully hope that it may be an effective but inexpensive sealer.

If the inside of the tank was chemically cleaned (phosphoric acid) first by the owner all there would be for the Powder coat man to do is mask the outside, hook up an electrode, stick the PC gun in the fuel fill hole, and pull the trigger for a few seconds.  Pop it in the oven and its done.  It could not possibly use more than a dollar's worth of powder, prep is limited to outside masking, and you'd have to pay for oven time.
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2011, 07:07:37 AM »
2 things that worry me..

The reason they usually sandblast first is not as much to have a clean surface, but to give the surface an 80grit tooth, for a mechanical bond. but, since you dont have to worry about things bumping into it and chipping it, maybe its ok to skip.

The other thing is about spraying the powder. If you just stick the gun into the filler hole, the powder will fill very high  on the metal around  the tip of the gun, and not so much back in the corners.Yes, the static pulls the powder to the part, But the metal closer to the gun will pull much more/most of the powder.  Also, the tip of the gun can never be too close to the part, or else it creates a circuit.

But, Im sure the coater has more skill than me and maybe he knows something I dont!
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2011, 07:39:37 AM »
Check out these guys -- they say they use a polyester powder coating on the inside of motorcycle gas tanks. (They also claim to be the only ones capable of doing it, which is probably BS.)

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2011, 08:00:37 AM »
Hey Kong, would ya paint my tank and side covers for those prices?  Satin Black. 

Prolly not.  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2011, 10:53:37 AM »
Seems like a feasible idea, look forward to what the powder coater has to say about it...Larry

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2011, 12:44:13 PM »
Hey Kong, would ya paint my tank and side covers for those prices?  Satin Black.  

Prolly not.  ;D

I didn't see 'those prices' are but if you'd like a show quality satin black paint job on your tank and covers I'd be happy to do it for you.  Be forewarned, I only use PPG and HOK paints, and it ain't particularly cheap - but just for a straight up tank (come on, we can do better than just plain black) and covers it won't cost you all that much.
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2011, 01:43:33 PM »
Kong I have done maybe 15-20 tanks mostly 1950 to 1960 Chevy's have allways used por-15 I don't why people make such a big deal over this it works. Why experiment I guess some people are to stupid to follow instructions. Number one cause for failure is not drying good. Hey what about chrome inside.I think powder coat would be a mistake for the inside of a fuel tank.

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 04:33:28 PM »
Easy to powdercoat the inside- Just cut the tank in half.  ;D
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 04:45:34 PM »
Jamie, as far as I know its impervious to fuels.  I know brake fluid won't touch it and that's a good sign.

Tell that to my powder coated master cylinder....(thought I had a picture online already, sadly no.) But is all bubbled and flaking off after 2 years
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 05:47:04 PM »
Kong I have done maybe 15-20 tanks mostly 1950 to 1960 Chevy's have allways used por-15 I don't why people make such a big deal over this it works. Why experiment I guess some people are to stupid to follow instructions. Number one cause for failure is not drying good. Hey what about chrome inside.I think powder coat would be a mistake for the inside of a fuel tank.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 08:48:23 PM »
If POR did not have 3 to 4 different sets of instructions (each slightly different), then it might be easier.  This jacked me up the first time.
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 10:15:38 PM »
This topic constantly amuses me.  I have three bikes 32-36 years old and none of them have sealed tanks and none of them have a corrosion problem in the tank.  Now, if you do have a tank that is compromised then a sealer is a viable solution but other than that it is a solution looking for a problem.

I doubt the powder coating would seal pin holes. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 10:46:12 AM »
Everyone that looked at my K1 750 tank said 'toss it, you'll never get it clean enough to use it'..... but being the original Candy Gold tank with 40 yrs. of 'patina', dings etc. I was determined to use it.   I never considererd a liner, especially as cleaning/drying in all the crevasses would be impossible IMO and lead to early failure ( gas behind the liner ). So, a little patience and 3x rinses with toilet cleaner ( The Works ), I put the tank back on. Plenty of rust flowed into the petcock/ carbs within the first few days, then reduced over time to 0. I did use the old 'magnet-in-the-tank' trick and just took it out every day , cleaned it and put it back in... Really helps trap rusticles being drawn towards the petcock  ;). 10k miles later nary a problem ;D
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Re: Sealing a gas tank, once and for ever, tell me if this would work.
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2011, 08:51:56 AM »
I don't know the answer to this question but this link might be useful. http://www.columbiacoatings.com/kb_results.asp?ID=3

Also they seem to be a good company and might be able to steer you in the right direction if you give them a call.
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