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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2011, 06:40:27 PM »
Find yourself a set of these!
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2011, 06:53:30 PM »

Haven't seen anything as dumb as that in a while.  Can't wait for the first time it backfires. ;D

I don't get the logic on your idea Jt500.  You state that it costs too much for a decent set of carbs so you want to fab up a manifold, buy a single carb and then have to screw around to get it to run most likely worse than the 4 carb set up. How much time and money will be tied up in that?  Now if you just like to experiment knock yourself out but to do it save money and hassle..... ???

The manifold anit sh!t,,, I have the metal & the friends to help with the fab & the PBR for the time.... An for the carb... I can get it at cost from my buds shop... If it doesn't work, I SELL it .... An for tuning my pal of years has been building & racing vintage bikes for the last 35 yrs.... So his word is almost GOLD for me.... ( Motorcycle Classics Sept/Oct 2007 Vol 3 No.1)
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I just wanted to hear ya'lls take on he whole idea and to see if its ever REALLY been done... But NOW I see that alot of people like to think WAY to much in the box..... SO Im doing it! Come HELL, HIGH WATER or ALCOHOL POISONING...

If the speed aint the way I like it.... I try to regear it.... YOU only live once so WHY waste it being NORMAL...

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AN to (Terry) CHEERS mate!!! Im having one more for you and 3 more for me,,,, Let the "knockers" be damned!!

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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2011, 06:54:35 PM »
Find yourself a set of these!

OOOOOHH Preeerrtty.... where were those????
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2011, 07:59:27 PM »


OOOOOHH Preeerrtty.... where were those????


They are in my shop, guarded by a fire-breathing dragon. If that was a PBR induced slip-of-the-tongue, and you meant what instead of where, they are Weber DCOE40 carbs. ;)

BTW, I have seen pics of a log manifold for the CB750, just like you are thinking of creating, from back in the '70s.....
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2011, 01:26:45 AM »
Find yourself a set of these!

This project was my would be  inspiration  for backyard foundry of a 350 f pair of manifolds.

I put it out in a thread a few months back because I had a big flat slide around . One end fit the f and the other fit
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2011, 04:46:30 AM »
Here's a set of Solex carbs that recently sold on eBay for $700.  Pretty good deal for someone but I don't think you stuff these in a stock K or F frame.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320663480522+&viewitem=#ht_500wt_932


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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2011, 05:01:38 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Those are just to cool...... Its that alternate thinking that keeps us on our toes, even if it was 30ish yrs ago......

"Anybody got pics of those old ''monoblock manifolds" aka "log manifolds"????
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2011, 05:58:17 AM »
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Those are just to cool...... Its that alternate thinking that keeps us on our toes, even if it was 30ish yrs ago......

"Anybody got pics of those old ''monoblock manifolds" aka "log manifolds"????

Here's an SU carb with log manifold


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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2011, 06:37:40 AM »
Might be cool to do a side-draft weber setup like this with a log manifold


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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2011, 08:05:03 AM »
I think Im going this way....
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2011, 09:18:43 AM »
I think Im going this way....

That's a horrible idea.
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2011, 09:29:10 AM »
I think That's a horrible idea.


Please state your case... So I can stop laughing at you.... ;D
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2011, 09:37:32 AM »
That would work better than the side draft, as long as there's enough room.
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2011, 10:47:20 AM »
A CA77 twin has a single 22mm carb on a 360 crank. It lacks power to hold speed on a hill. Change the carb to a 26mm and it has a slight improvement but remains restricted by manifold flow.  Move the carb back about 4-inches and go to 28mm and now we have enough power.
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2011, 10:47:47 AM »
I have searched and searched, but I can no longer find the site from back in the old days when this place was just a DORJE Listproc mailing, that detailed a buildup of a CB750A dragbike. Standard drag kit, except for the Rochester Quadra-jet carb on a hand-fabbed four runner intake manifold! Being a drag bike, the frame was modded including cutting the top tubes at the seat and welding new ones on with a hump in them to clear the air-cleaner and carb.
A log manifold just won't give you good performance on a carb bike. Too much opportunity for the fuel to fall out of suspension and puddle on the floor of the manifold. You want to keep the fuel air mixture moving fast and smooth so the fuel stays atomized. Look up extrude honing sometime. It is a process where an abrasive putty is pumped through the manifold. This enlarges the runners for more breathing, but also, as the name suggests, hones out the rough interior of the cast manifold so fuel stays in suspension.


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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2011, 11:46:03 AM »
That would work better than the side draft, as long as there's enough room.

There's plenty of room, the mani will be no larger then where the carbs start now..an with no airbox, I'm golden....

Thanks for the good words,, there's alot of knockers around here..
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2011, 03:44:43 PM »
What carb are planning on?

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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2011, 04:05:04 PM »
You're going to have a hell of a time getting even distribution of fuel across all 4 cylinders with a "log" like that (2-3 will run rich and 1-4 will run lean).

Don't forget that fuel is heavier than air and therefore will have more inertia. This will make it resist going around the corners in the manifold that you have susgested.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that design will be fraught with problems.
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2011, 04:34:30 PM »
I think Im going this way....

That's a horrible idea.

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You're going to have a hell of a time getting even distribution of fuel across all 4 cylinders with a "log" like that (2-3 will run rich and 1-4 will run lean).

Don't forget that fuel is heavier than air and therefore will have more inertia. This will make it resist going around the corners in the manifold that you have susgested.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that design will be fraught with problems.

Not to mention it will lose a ton of performance. We have an old performance car here in Aus that runs an inline 6 cylinder, with a single carb on a single rail manifold  it is fast, with triple carbs it is killer fast with no other changes, you will never get anywhere the same performance with your choice of manifold, it just isn't precise enough to give good fuel supply to each cylinder period.
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2011, 05:51:51 PM »
there's alot of knockers around here..

Some of us don't have to actually jump off a roof, to know that it is most likely going to hurt.

But then, the wheel has also been repeatedly "invented".

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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2011, 09:57:08 PM »
What carb are planning on?

1 38mm VM Mikuni.... But now with all this to take in I might be leaning to 2. And make 2 in to 1 carb mani's....
 
The last diagramed is hard to tell size.... Im keeping it tight... Same inlet size & angles  ...It WONT be a LOG...
I thinking of using square tubing a little over the same size as the inlet for the carb for the plenum. Smooth it all out internally as I possibly can...

((((( Why Does it HAVE to run on 4 carbs.????.... were the Japs SO right..... F**K it!!! Why is it SO wrong to run ONE big carb on a 4 cylinder 500.... Its a 500 for F**KS SAKE..... I want it to run well, start well, get to 65mph in under 10 seconds....and hold 80..... Is THAT IMPOSSIBLE??? !!!  Its NOT a 750.... F**K I give up!!!! It can be done, It WILL BE DONE and YOU CAN ALL EAT YOUR WORDS WHEN I TARE ASS THOUGH MY CITY!!! ))))

And Sh!t... maybe I can regear it to get more bite if it lags a little...WHATEVER!!!

  
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2011, 10:04:08 PM »
Posting while drunk again, eh?
It's OK, I've done it myself on more than one occasion.

In your other thread entitled the same thing, I made a quick drawing of what might work better in your single carb situation.

Your current design will not feed equal amounts of air and fuel across the cylinders. You'll also be dealing with very different intake velocities, and restrictions, on the outside cylinders.

You can laugh at me all you like, but your design will continue to be horrible regardless. :)
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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 10:19:38 PM »
That would work better than the side draft, as long as there's enough room.

 there's alot of knockers around here..


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Re: Riddle me this, riddle me that, a four into one carb could it do that!!
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2011, 10:30:01 PM »
HAHA! You beat me to it.

 If you recall, I am one of the 'knockers', I think it's too much work for a step back. However, as a fellow rider, I'm still going to try to help you as much as possible.
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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2011, 10:30:35 PM »
Posting while drunk again, eh?
It's OK, I've done it myself on more than one occasion.

In your other thread entitled the same thing, I made a quick drawing of what might work better in your single carb situation.

Your current design will not feed equal amounts of air and fuel across the cylinders. You'll also be dealing with very different intake velocities, and restrictions, on the outside cylinders.

You can laugh at me all you like, but your design will continue to be horrible regardless. :)

You mean this one???
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